WMC 20-21: Whine, Moan & Complain! The Return!

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  1. LTLakerFan

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    It would be ideal if this was college and Frank could simply play the best players and not be hampered by the politics of every decision. As a for instance .... because of his size and his effectiveness and fundamentals on defense and offense and the fact he looks to be one of the best pure shooters on the team, a good ball handler and passer and playmaker and intelligent on the court .... starting the undrafted rookie Reaves (23 years old with 5 years of college experience) at the 2 guard over Ellington or THT and certainly over Bradley would seem to be the best possible choice. Doubtful that would happen. Hopefully as was happening prior to the hamstring issue, he does come back to giving him the most meaningful minutes through out games and in the 4th quarter in crunch time.
     
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    And that Nunn can actually play at some point.
     
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    i'd like to see the distributions of "mph" on the court. seems like it's confounded with total movement (so it's less about being slow and more about not moving, which is definitely an issue in our offense). the fact that three of the bottom six come from the same team sets off alarm bells in my stat mind.

    anyway, what's interesting is that we actually rank second in pace. i don't know what all that means.
     
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    I remember when we were a good team.

    We have a long way to go.

    This current team stinks.
     
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    zach lowe: good teams are good.
     
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    I think what Zach was trying to say is: when you have good offense, and you also rank high in defense, you have a good team and therefore you join other teams who do the same. Nice analysis, for sure.
     
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    Okay, you can still be running around and still not be effectively playing D
     
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    At a loss for words over losing LeBron again. This team truly has the worst luck.
     
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    Haliburton carries the ball every single dribble. SMDH.
     
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    And damn AD clatching at his members again...
     
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    THT sucks. I don't know what everyone sees in him, aside from the constant reverse layup-ing, because he lacks vertical. He isn't a PG and won't ever be one. He is an undersized slashing SF with shaky shot.

    We passed up on AC for this... I wish this was all over already.

    ATGROE
     
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    EVERYBODY
     
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    But damn... Frank's gonna suffer for this and look at this D in 3rd. Had they played the way he taught them for 3 seasons, we'd be like at 70% instead o 50%.
     
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    Reaves isn't starter caliber yet. I'd just be happy with him, giving us some quality minutes off the bench.
     
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    LOL..some stats are just plain useless.
     
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    So, the defensive plan tonight was to guard everyone, except for Holmes? LOL! Dude shot tonight!
    Anyway, it worked.
     
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    as i said above, i think this stat is probably useless for a few reasons. but i'd need to see the full data set to really make a determination (what's the SD on mph? who's at the top? are their pockets of teammates? might that indicate a systemic cause?). reeks of "found another thing the lakers are bad at" instead of "i was looking at some good metrics, and it appears the lakers are bad at them".

    and i really think the distinction between mph and total miles matters, as they indicate different issues (are they moving slowly or just not moving a lot?). the merged function clouds that. also, it's not broken down by on or off ball movement. iow: body movement stats could be quite interesting if deployed sensibly.
     
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    Funny: no Bradley and a limited DJ and we blew out the Kings?

    Wow. What about completely taking them out the rotation and give yourself a chance to win some games.

    Goodness.
     

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