The UK Has Separated From The EU

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  1. therealdeal

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    Voted on by the UK and passed... They're no longer part of the EU.

    Thoughts?
     
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    I haven't given it a lot of thought, as far as the fallout and impact on us and the rest of the world.

    I did hear Cameron was expected to step down tomorrow.

    Pretty huge.
     
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    I'm not too surprised. The UK didn't adopt the Euro currency and had a fairly strong anti-EU vibe. The UKIP political party was founded primarily on getting out of the EU. If any country was going to leave after the Treaty of Lisbon, the UK was at the top of the list.

    UK is basically an island surrounded by water, so it's in a position to trade with any country or organizing body (European Union, OPEC, etc) independently.

    I'm not sure whether this is a signal of a possible withdrawal by other EU nations or not. Too early to tell.
     
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    I'm not too surprised, I guess. UK doesn't need the EU, and this could signal some great things for the UK. Unfortunately, I think that much of the sentiment is motivated by small-minded, nationalistic, anti-immigrant concerns. Those thoughts will paralyze your economy and stifle liberty.
     
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    I have no opinion as of right now.

    Haven't followed it well enough to form an opinion.
     
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/15/b...fishing-port-want-eu-out-of-their-waters.html

    It seems the sentiment is less about hating foreigners and more about skepticism over who really benefits from the EU relationship. Some believe the rest of the EU benefits more from the arrangement than British businesses do.
     
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    UKIP really does hate a lot of people, even if their policies are consistent with reasonable views about rights. Like the Republican party.

    I think that if you're in favor of strict border control, you either hate foreigners or you don't understand what liberty is and what's good for human flourishing. UKIP is in favor of far stricter border control.
     
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    This could be good for the UK in the long term, but in the short term could be a hard pill to swallow. I also don't like the anti-immigrant aspects of some on the Leave campaign.
     
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    My understanding was that the UK felt the EU was dragging them down, not protecting their own as much, and so they left. Dragging down was in part because of the influx of Muslims (and there's big issues here that I know are sensitive, but still serious) and in part because of the continued bungling economics of other EU countries that weigh down the UK. Obviously that's the more rational "leave" side. The rational "stay" side saw the upheaval that is leaving the EU, the drop in markets, the bad optics of abandoning your neighbors and wanted to stay and to work things out.

    Is that what you guys see? How do you guys see it?
     
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    No good will come out of this. It could but it won't. Farage and the likes are morons.
     
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    I'm not surprised if racism played a part in the decision, but I don't feel that racism was the whole issue. 51% is a lot of people.

    My understanding is that UKIP wants an immigration policy similar to what Australia has. I'm not familiar with Australia's immigration policy, so I can't really comment on whether it's strict or not.
     
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    Remain/stay
    18-24yo. - 75%
    25-49yo. - 56%
    50-64yo. - 44%
    65+ - 38%
    Young Brits should thank the "wise elders" ;).
     
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    In the end I understand not wanting foreign non elected officials dictating various policies that dramatically effect your county. BUT from what I heard that might not have been the motivating issue. From the few reports I have read and a hand full of npr pieces where locals were interviews the other theme that came up was clearly anti immigrant. Lines like "we are losing our britishness", "I went to the park and we were the only British people there" , and the like surfaced a lot. I can't blame the brits for wanting nothing to do with he politics on mainland Europe. Places like France and Greece are running themselves into the ground, but the we don't want you here vibe is not good at all.
     
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    ^I tend to be skeptical of mainstream news. "We're losing our Britishness" makes a better soundbite than "I think the EU gets more out of this relationship than we do".
     
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    Don't get me wrong I do too, but there seems to be a growing divide of discontent between people globally. Sadly this seems to be intentionally driven by the "powers that be" and is most often about race. Whether it be Black vs White, Citizen vs Immigrant, or some other play on this dynamic its being pushed politically on a global scale. The results is a populace so intoxicated with fear and anger that they have become transfixed on how bad the other side is and aren't really paying attention to some serious issues that are headed our way. Because of this I have no doubt that a lot of UK citizens simply punched the ballet for exiting because they feel they are "losing theirs Britishness". Same with some wonderful loving Americans who boggle my mind with their support for Trump and his make America great again nonsense, you know cause Jim Crow was fantastic. . They aren't bad folks, but they have been conned into believing that if Hilary, and she is just as bad as Trump, is elected that it will be the end of the world.

    If all the folks who were voting for Hilary just to stop Trump and all the folks voting for Trump just to stop Hilary got together and voted for someone else we might actually see some real change in America.
     
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    There is growing Muslim extremist communities in England now, and I think it makes them feel very uncomfortable. Their cops don't carry guns, and some of these groups are rather bold in how they treat those around them in a bad way. This is probably part of the motivation behind them wanting to make some major political changes.





     
  17. therealdeal

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    I've heard that those areas are hotspots for hatred to develop. I'm sure that sort of talk comes from guys like him. He's not without a point, but he's using the few points that he has to react with more hate. If he feels unwelcome there, they do too. I have some Muslim friends and they're normal people. I mean yikes to all his judgement on the religion as a whole.

    There's some people that still follow specific passages that promote violence, but that's not the entire religion as a whole. There are millions and millions of Muslims that preach against these violent people.

    I don't think the guy in the first video (the only one I watched) is racist. I think he's intolerant though and his attitude breeds more hatred. The same sort of hatred he says is coming from those Muslim communities, he's expressing as well.
     
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    The Scottish National Party is a political party that favors Scottish independence from Britain. A Scottish independence referendum was held two years ago and the Scots voted to stay with the UK. The SNP is trying to rally the flag again using Brexit as the soap box.
     
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    I don't really know what to believe. If you watch Fox news, the exit was about safety and not wanting to allow other crap countries tread on the success of Britain. If you watch MSNBC, 51% of England is racist and hates all immigrants. Who is telling the truth? Is Fox sugar coating deep seeded racism in England or is MSNBC playing the usual, A. You don't want to support the poor with your hard work. B. A lot of minorities are poor. A+B=C. YOU'RE ALL RACIST!
     
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