Anthony Davis Discussion: Only Player On Both All NBA + All Def

derozan's an allstar. we have zero of those. butler and odom were both young and had outperformed any of our young guys to that point in their career, imo (save maybe kuz, though he's older). also, that was then. we're in the "lakers must overpay" nba now, so i wouldn't expect us to get a superstar without selling the house. SA asked for basically everything (think we got to keep one young guy). NO will ask the same, and will wait until boston can bid to ensure they won't get lowballed.

i mean, my offer is kcp/zubac/two smacks to the mouth, but i don't think they're taking it.

seriously, a fair offer to both teams would be:

ingram/ball/two lotto-protected 1sts.

NO gets two guys with high upside who might just need a change of scenery to blossom, and they control the rights to both. no salary baggage, either.

lakers get their star and keep some low-cost assets so that they can spend whatever's left of the cap to shore up some roster weaknesses.

but again, for whatever reason, the league has decided that not only do they want a good deal, they want the lakers to get a bad one. i'm of the mind that there's almost no bad deal that ends with anthony davis on your team, so screw 'em. of course that's not how i'd negotiate, but that's where i'd be willing to go.

 

That's a terrible way to run a team. I'm not overpaying for anyone. I'll let the kids develop and take my chances in free agency if overpaying is the alternative.

 

I made a point of this earlier in this thread...but Boston's 1st round picks have limitations:

The Sac/Philly pick, the cLip pick and the Grizz pick all project to convey this summer for the 2019 draft. If you also consider Boston's own 1st, they have 4 first rounders that project to be in the 14-30ish range (all outside the lottery...if Sac and the Grizz make the playoffs and Philly & Boston will surely make the postseason in the East).

Then consider, that Boston can't trade for another "designated player" like AD till after the draft, meaning they have to either make those picks themselves or trade out the '19 draft and trade for future picks. Unless there's some tampering going on (and I wouldn't put it past Danny), they have to make those picks in the dark not knowing what the Pels really covet. I think Boston's potential package is vastly overblown since Tatum is really the only valuable asset they have (Hayward and Horford are overpriced distressed assets now).

Anyways, y'all remember this tweet:



That happened well before our interest in Vuc and TRoss was leaked. Maybe...just maybe, we're constructing a AD-Aaron Gordon-Laker kiddies 3way.

Fyi: Gordon is eligible to be traded on Jan 15th seeing how he was a RFA player that was extended on a new deal and has a team friendly construct where his yearly payouts decrease over time. Also, nearly the entire NBA will be in Vegas this coming week for conventions and the G-League Showcase, so look for trade talks to heat up.

 

@Savory Griddles a little wiggle with the salaries here and there, but that proposal works.

So it sure seems like alot of you are open to trading a majority (uh, let's say up to 9 players) of the team for a star player...

Live look at TIME:



Live look at Vash:

 

this is an exercise of futility....IMO there's no chance Pelicans will trade AD to us, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't trade him to any wester conf. team if they had a choice in the matter especially not the lakers.

 

Did we not construct a previous western conference 3team trade with Dell Demps (current Pels GM) and hyper competitive Morey (current Htown GM, whose already done deals with our current FO before) where the star, in Cp3, was dealt to us to join Kobe... all before "basketball reasons" nixed it.

Did they not turn around on that deal and trade Cp3 to another western conference team? Why? Cause dude wanted to be dealt to LA. And then dude did it again forcing his way to another western conference team having the cLips trade with Houston.

If AD wants LA...he'll find his way here one way or another. It's futile to think otherwise.

 

that was then and this is now, we already seen Pop (leonard) and Sarver (Ariza) decisions in dealing with us.

 

You wanna talk about then and now...look at what RC Buford's done as Spurs GM since he took over.

How many major trades did you see?

Out of those major trade(s), how many times has he traded with Western teams?

I'm not going to really look at how the Kawhi deal went down cause Buford literally has no history in dealing with us and other than the Kawhi trade (which was forced on him), he's never dealt with major trades that involved established names before.

And Sarver not trading Ariza (who wanted to come back to LA) to us isn't really in the same zip code of a AD trade demand.

First thing is first...Rich needs to get that demand submitted.

 

Same story, different player. Either you pony up the assets or it's just noise. As with the past player chases, I'm all in on trading whatever needs to be done to get the job done. Lebron and AD? Yea you will never have an issue filling out the roster next year....

Rondo, Lin, Cory Joseph, Seth Curry
Korver (If contract not guaranteed), Ellington, Lance, JR Smith (If contract not guaranteed)
Gerald Green, LRMAM, Demarre Carroll, Ariza
Taj, Faried, Anderson (If contract not guaranteed), Ed Davis, Beasley
Lopez bros, JaVale, Chandler, Gortat, Noel, Boban

We really gonna have an issue getting some of these guys? I don't think so. Trade away.

 

yeah if the lakers were to land AD it would have to be a 3-way deal

no way a package like BI/Hart/couple 1st rounders would be enough for NO to accept. unfortunately with our luck we'd trade half the team for AD only for him to suffer a major injury in his lakers debut

 

Well yes, AD alone is worth more than our kids at face value, but as you know there's much more to it.

First, as a prerequisite of a trade, AD has to decline his super max, which puts the Pelicans in a weaker position. That alone lowers his value significantly. Think what the Spurs got for Kawhi, a player who is perceived as equal value to AD (Top 5 player in his early prime) They got Derozan. Unless you think all 4 of our kids are worth Derozan, we need to pump the brakes.

Second, unless AD signs an extension after the trade, we risk losing EVERYTHING. That's opposed to having our kids guaranteed for the next 6-7 years. I understand the impatience and anxiety of wanting to compete before Lebron regresses, but I get the eerie feeling of deja vu.... it's not too long ago that we paid the consequences of being too desperate trying to get the most out of Kobe's last years. Remember, for every Paul George trade, there's a Steve Nash and Dwight Howard trade. Trading 4 high lottery picks (ie BI, Zo, Kuz, Hart) is never a good idea.

 

I would approach it no differently tada!

I think everybody here wants to spare as many of our kiddies from the trade as possible. But I think folks are saying that IF it came to creating a godfather package then ours is just as competitive (if not more) than what Boston can offer.

We have cap space to absorb any bad deals the Pels wish to dump within an AD package, while the cbags have 4 potential draft picks to our 1 (although I've already detailed the limitations to those picks).

We got higher drafted players (Zo/BI are #2s while Tatum/Brown are #3s).

Terry Rozier isnt really a trade piece cause he's restricted and Boston would have to match and wait 3 months to trade him (unless both Rozier and NOP agree to a sign & trade...and that obviously has limitations of its own).

Horford and Hayward are distressed assets and if they're included in a package then alot of money is heading to Nawlins and that franchise actually lost money last year and are projected to be in the red again this year.

You obviously put out a respectable initial low-ball offer and hopefully get to the point where the deal breaker is either a Hart or Kuz being involved in a Bi/Zo package. But IF we really really want to win the bidding war, we have the assets to get it done....And IF it comes to that, I believe we should pull the trigger.

AD isn't a 38 yr old trade target like Nash was. He's had injuries in his past, but as of late AD has missed only 18 games out of a possible 204 games in the last 2.5 seasons.

And on that note:



Just bubble-wrap dude till we deal for him.

 

New If I am Anthony Davis, I NEVER demand a trade. Play hard, be a good teammate and respect the organization that has treated you well. If the Pelicans want to give him his extension when they do, respectfully decline and let them know, we aren't saying no, but we would like to test the market before we make a decision. It is something the organization will at least respect and he isnt strong arming them to send him somewhere.

In 19 months, he has the ability to come here free and clear, regardless if Lebron is declining or not. I really do not care. A 27 year old mega star hitting his prime is always good and the Lakers can add pieces or if they are lucky, at least one of the young guys becomes a legit 2 or 3. If that means we lose Lebron by a step or two, again, I do not care, the Lakers will figure out a way to build around AD, we shouldnt worry.

Lebron doesnt want to wait and I understand. However, I am a Laker fan first. f*** Lebron, I want Anthony Davis and the only way it works is if he stands pat for 19 months and then he will have the full right to make a decision on where to go. Going through this b******* with Kawhi and PG is over. f*** that.

Best case scenario would be the Pelicans knowing he isn't coming back and them going TO HIM and saying, look, we have a feeling you aren't coming back, we can trade you so we do not lose you for nothing. Then, everyone can figure out the best scenario there.

 

Ox, I'm shocked you, of all people, want to see such a cuddly fuzzy wuzzy outlook on this.

In this world, you really don't expect competitive individuals to strongarm their way into getting what they want? Really?

The supermax is a given this summer...yet dude canned his loyal longtime Nawlins based agent for Rich Paul. He did all that just to have Rich present in a photo op for the supermax contract signing...really?

You don't think there isn't a killer in this dude to go get what he wants...really?

Btw, they big mad haha...



Players can't tamper, guy. Haha. Demps must really believe in the LeGM hype.

 

The comments were made because the 2 players we have discussed the last two seasons got shipped to the Serbia's of the NBA to avoid doing anything with the Lakers. Even if the Pelicans get the demand, they won't trade him to the Lakers. The league and all these loser f*** organizations try extra hard NOT to ever do anything to help the Lakers. I loathe David Stern and all those crying f*** owners who started this in 2011 with the veto.

Lebron came here in his own free will. He didnt demand a trade, kept everyone guessing and when free agency started, no one could stop him. That's the only way this works.

Unless Kawhi makes our lives easier and signs this summer.