Official 2016 Free Agency Thread

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  1. alam1108

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    Throw everything and the kitchen sink at Whiteside.
     
    alam1108, Mar 30, 2016
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    Yeah, if he reverts after a big contract or something, oh well, gotta take the risk. Offer him max, we desperately lack a C like this and a SF, he fills a huge need.
     
    Weezy, Mar 30, 2016
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  3. LaVarBallsDad

    LaVarBallsDad - Lakers Legend -

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    Do you guys think a game like this catches Whiteside's attention? I sure hope so.
     
    LaVarBallsDad, Mar 30, 2016
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    It's a no brainer. Said that along. Whiteside is quite possibly the most dominant center in the game right now after Cousins. He's playing like Bynum was prior to his demise. Monster on both ends.
     
    Lakers2015, Mar 30, 2016
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    I do. I mean we really controlled the game in that entire second half and it was because of the young guys. Russell struggled shooting, but was huge on the defensive end. Clarkson closed down the stretch. Randle as usual controlled the boards and wanted the ball in his hands and did something with it. He is literally the PERFECT fit with this team.
     
    Lakers2015, Mar 30, 2016
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    ElginTheGreat, Mar 30, 2016
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  7. therealdeal

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    I agree actually. He seems like an absolutely perfect fit. He gives elite rim protection, but he just gives great defensive effort all around. His offense is clunky, but effective. He's a terrific pick-and-roll mate. I mean maybe his head isn't just right, but I loved what he showed last night. This was clearly an audition tape going both ways and I think both sides passed the test.

    Come on down Whiteside. If there was any doubt I was all-in before, there's none now. I am 100% all in on Whiteside for the max.
     
    therealdeal, Mar 30, 2016
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    LMAO, fantastic.
     
    Weezy, Mar 30, 2016
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    Whiteside and Batum. Trade Clarkson and the #1 pick in the draft for Jimmy Butler.

    Whiteside/Black
    Randle/Nance
    Batum/?
    Butler/Lou
    Russell/Lou

    That being said. Whiteside still scares the crap out of me.
     
    Savory Griddles, Mar 31, 2016
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  10. LaVarBallsDad

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  11. therealdeal

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    If we keep the pick, the game changes completely for me. Rumors of Butler wanting out/Hoiberg not getting along with Butler are abound. If we keep the pick I want to trade it to Chicago for Butler almost regardless of where it lands. I like Simmons and I love Ingram, but Butler brings us a guy still hitting his prime and he's effective right NOW.

    I'd move Clarkson/the pick for Butler, but I don't know how hard that'll be since Clarkson is an RFA. Let's just use Lou/Young instead since the numbers are easier to gauge but the effect is basically the same. So the trade is Lou/Young/Pick 1, 2, or 3/... maybe throw in Anthony Brown for Jimmy Butler.

    Russell (5.3)/ Clarkson Cap Hold (2.7)
    Butler (17.6)/
    _______
    Randle (3.3)/ Nance Jr. (1.2)
    ________/

    Assuming we waive our rights to Sacre, Kelly, Huertas, and Tarik we'd be looking at roughly 34.5 million. That leaves us with roughly 57.5 million in the bank still to spend.

    I go after Whiteside that costs us 21 million. Now we're sitting at 37 million to spend and here's the team:

    Russell (5.3)/ Clarkson Cap Hold (2.7)
    Butler (17.6)/
    ______
    Randle (3.3)/ Nance Jr. (1.2)
    Whiteside (21)/

    Maybe you call Durant with that? Durant's max starts at 25.3 million so you'd STILL have almost 12 million to spend. Maybe you keep Hibbert or go get Noah for more veteran leadership.

    Even if Durant says no or if he signs a one-and-one back with OKC like I expect, you've got yourself a heck of a start here. I bet you could really tempt Demar with that lineup. I bet you could pry Barnes away from Golden State since he's struggled to find a role there. There's some hope if we keep the pick that this could turn around quickly...

    Without the pick things get a lot more dire.
     
    therealdeal, Mar 31, 2016
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    LOL. I honestly have to say I was thinking as the game was going early, with the crowd booing Russell and his current awful situation in the media, and then Clarkson out of the blue wearing the dorky looking on him headband (sorry just my opinion :) .... that he would be impressed to stay the hell away from us after the beat down they were likely going to put on us.
     
    LTLakerFan, Mar 31, 2016
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    This just cracked me up so much! Whiteside all the way for the max. He's a perfect fit. Add Batum and we are making the playoffs NEXT year . . . I don't think even Boron could screw up that lineup.
     
    lakerjones, Mar 31, 2016
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    Yeah let's not even give him that challenge.
     
    alam1108, Mar 31, 2016
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    @therealdeal I like most of your scenario except for that bit about trading the #1 and Clarkson. That may be a bit too much for a second-tier star like Butler, who's injury prone and shooting 31% from beyond the arc this year. I'd like a more reliable 3&D player if we're giving up on home-growing.

    DLo
    Clarkson
    Ingram
    Randle
    Whiteside

    That team would be better by 2018 imo.
     
    tada, Mar 31, 2016
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    I'd rather have Butler. Clarkson might be a starter or he might be a 6th man. Ingram could take 2-3 years to develop. I'd rather have an All-Star already on the roster who can help draw free agents today.

    If we end up keeping the pick and getting Ingram, I'm alright with that. I'd rather have Butler though.
     
    therealdeal, Apr 1, 2016
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    Hmm... is Butler a good enough talent to draw free agents though? I see him as a 2nd or 3rd best player on a contender. Definitely not a #1 option.

    I'm also a bit leery about getting Durant because I know where that's heading.
    - In Year 2 (29 years old) Durant will demand an upgrade to the roster, and we blow up our young core. We are left with a great supporting cast, including a 21 year-old Russell.
    - In Year 4, we're competitive but Durant is starting to decline.
    - In Year 6, Russell is entering his prime but we're rebuilding. Back to square one.

    If we keep our core intact we'd still be competitive in Year 10. Ingram/Whiteside/Barnes is the best case scenario IMHO.
     
    tada, Apr 1, 2016
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    I think NBA guys respect and want to play with Butler.
     
    trodgers, Apr 1, 2016
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    Probably true, and I'd love him as a Laker too. I'm not sure if he's worth Clarkson and #1 though. That's nearly half our future. If we're talking #3 I'd definitely give it a go.
     
    tada, Apr 1, 2016
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    I think your argument is flawed. I'm not going to wait until D'Angelo is in his prime to be competitive. That'd be like Cleveland turning down LeBron last summer because Kyrie was too young or the Lakers not signing Shaq because Kobe was a rookie. I don't care about their timing and who ends up where, I just get as good as I can as soon as I can.

    I understand being nervous about trading the #1 pick and another asset for one player, but if we're going to be competitive as soon as we can, then that's something we'll have to think about. Ingram will take time to be what he's going to be. Russell will take time, Randle will take time. How long are we going to be uncompetitive?

    I'd rather make the trade now, get Butler who is a legitimate All-Star and go out and try to win games so we can attract another FA. Ingram isn't going to make Whiteside want to play here, but Butler might. Heck Ingram might never be as good as Butler either. I'd rather be competitive in 2017, 2018, 2019 and on. I don't want to wait until 2018 or 2019 to be competitive if we don't have to.

    As for him being injury prone, I don't know about that but if that's a concern then maybe you can get away with just Lou/Young/Brown/#1 (which was my example actually).
     
    therealdeal, Apr 1, 2016
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