Kobe Bryant Discussion: Mamba Out!

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  1. LTLakerFan

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    Phew!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Kobe deserves to start. So does Hibbert. You can sub as you like, but Kobe is good for that starting unit, especially given how he's playing lately.
     
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    Musta been that dunk that made the old shoulder sore. Worth it tho imo.
     
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    If I could sub as I like ....we would have a better team and better record.
     
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    Honestly I don't even know why Kobe is still playing. He's been playing great basketball as of late shooting close to 50 percent in his last six, but it doesn't even matter. The team still sucks. The young guys still aren't playing enough minutes. This team has somehow defied the odds and gotten worse each of the last three seasons.
     
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    Not the players' fault, majority of the reasons this year especially.
     
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    I wouldn't say that. The players do deserve some blame.

    Kobe chucking like there was no tomorrow early in the season.

    Roy being able to finish about as well as Kwame Brown.

    Randle not being able to screen and being a black hole too often and lazy defensively.

    Russell being too tentative at times.

    Yes Byron is a terrible, terrible coach but I don't think you absolve the players of blame completely.
     
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    I did say majority of reasons, not all the reasons. Plus if Scott was worth a s*** as a coach some of the things you brought up with Kobe, Randle and Russell would be not as bad as they were / are. He is by far the biggest cause we suck.
     
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    Agreed. Start Kobe and Hibbert, the rest are more fluid.

    It's silly to think that you can't play a bench player 30 minutes though. What a ridiculously old fashioned and stupid idea.
     
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    ...saddens me that 24 can't go out with even a fighting chance every game much less this season. Then I think of all the paper he's getting.
     
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    Maybe Scott has a short memory. In his first Championship season, the top Minutes Per Game along with Starts:
    Scott 37.6 / 81
    Magic 36.6 / 72
    Worthy 35.4/ 72
    Green 32.1 / 64
    Cooper 29.4 / 8*
    Kareem 28.9 / 80
    Thompson 25.1 / 0

    Two guys at 25+ mpg who were not starters, and one of them played more than Kareem, who started 80 of 82 games. BTW, Rambis started 20 games that season, but he averaged only 12.1 per game.
     
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    I don't understand how the FO can justify him when they're not seeing the rookies play AND they're not winning. You CANNOT have both. It's unacceptable! Why is this man still on our sidelines?
     
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    it's simple

    they don't want to admit they screwed up for a THIRD TIME in hiring a coach
     
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    No point in not admitting it. It can't get any more obvious than it already is.
     
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    Exactly. I don't think that's it. I think they just don't know what to do with the position once it's opened. Hire a new candidate now? Or let Madsen run the team for 50 games? Neither seem like great alternatives, but Scott simply must go. I get the feeling he's daring the FO to make that move.
     
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    Yep. Sticking with Byron only makes them look worse.

    If you fire him you at least show us fans that this kind of incompatentence is unacceptable. Right now it looks like they're accepting of it.
     
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    It's messed up. Like everyone said, it's obvious that Byron isn't the right coach for this team. He's been a massive failure and the only thing he's capable of doing well right now is tanking.

    I would love it if he got canned because I'm tired of his garbage and this decision to play Randle and Russell 20 minutes a game disgusts me.

    I just don't see them doing it. They seem to be content with the losing this year (gives them about a 50% chance of keeping their pick) and letting Byron be the guy who takes Kobe all the way to his retirement.

    They don't really have a backup plan in place. There's no one on this coaching roster who is capable of taking over as a respectable head coach and I think it would limit their options to try and hire someone new this season rather than in the summer when they have a better idea of where they are heading.

    My only fear in not firing him right now after that terrible loss to OKC that he blamed on his players (cowardly move), is that they somehow try to sell us on this "innocent bystander" crap that's been thrown out there, saying he had to work around Kobe and couldn't develop the kids. That's absolute garbage and we can see that Scott has just been an awful coach and his record speaks for itself. I just know that I can't take another year of this. We desperately need a new coach when Kobe retires. I think that the FO gets that and must know that they need a new direction because of the way that Ireland, mouthpiece for the FO has been talking. Even he seems exasperated by Byron and the losing. He doesn't even make the excuses that he used to for Pringles.
     
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    In all honesty I'm getting sick of everyone in this organization. Frustration has started to boil everyone over to the point where I think we should just clean house. I think we just may need some new blood in the organization. Jim has made three horrible hires in a row and numerous questionable personnel decisions as well. There continues to be a huge disconnect between Jeanie and Jim. One or both need to go.

    Mitch isn't blameless either. I still believe he's one of the best GM's in basketball, but he is apart of the bad personnel moves. Trading Lamar for nothing. Dude was the reigning sixth man of the year. All we could get was a late first. We had a chance to get something for Pau and just let him walk for nothing. The Nash trade was a disaster. You don't give up that many picks for a 38 year old point guard. Either he takes a big pay cut and signs with us outright like Payton did in 2004 or you look at other options.

    I love Kobe. He's my favorite player and Laker ever, but that massive contract extension has really killed us. No I don't blame him for taking it because I would've done so as well. I do blame him for taking so long to take a back seat. Not just this season, but even last season. No the team didn't have a lot of talent, but him trying to go 2006 Kobe wasn't gonna work. He did play smarter in his final month of play or so. I give him credit for that, but much like this season he should've played that way from the outset.

    Byron my God. This guy was absolutely one of my favorite Lakers ever. Of the Showtime era he was my third favorite behind Magic and Kareem. Now I just cannot stand him. He is the worst coach I have ever seen coach this team. He was given a pass last season because of the lack of talent, but he still played Kobe way too many minutes. Did the same crap he's done this season in regards to benching a clearly superior player for a guy who has no business starting. The two best players last season other than Jordan who should've been playing from the outset considering our lack of depth at that spot were Davis and Lin.

    This season the guy has been a train wreck. It's one thing to bench players who are struggling and hurting the team like he should've done with Kobe, but Randle and Russell were both having pretty solid stretches. Those two along with Jordan need to all get as many minutes together as possible. They're the future aren't they? How do they get better by not playing together? Why are you trying to ask such a young group of players play in a complex system like the Princeton? Why do you have one of the most immobile players in the league on the perimeter having to defend screen and roll and even switch sometimes? He needs to be in the paint and everything should be funneled to his area so he can do what he does best. Golden State does the same with Bogut. Draymond Green is their help and S&R defender and obviously does a sensational job. Lou Williams is a big time scorer off the bench. He's not and never has or will be a point guard. Play Jordy or D'Angelo with him in that second unit. Brandon Bass is a terrific backup 4 man and he's played backup 5 why? We have a solid backup 5 in Black who was very good a season ago when he got minutes. Ryan Kelly and Rob Sacre are awful and should never see the floor. D'Angelo needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Kobe needs to play off the ball and not be the pre dominate ball handler.
     
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    ^ YOU'RE HIRED
     
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