Kobe Bryant Discussion: Mamba Out!

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  1. sirronstuff

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    :Scott: = :Kobepuking:
     
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    And when Kobe goes down for with an injury Byron will say, "I honestly thought he was fine, he was playing his career average."
    Please for the love of god if theres one thing you do right this season let it be playing Kobe more reasonable mins.
     
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    Way too many minutes. Byron is failing at all things. Won't reign in Kobe when he said he had this great relationship with him and it was part of the reason he was hired here. Running him into the ground - something he said he would not do because he cares so much about Kobe, but has done consistently since being hired. Is supposedly good at developing young PG's, but won't play Russell in most fourth quarters and hasn't really played him to his strengths. Then there's the veterans. Bass out of position since day one. Too much reliance on Lou Williams. Too much reliance on Kobe. Not enough Hibbert to close out games.
     
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    Byron has to overplay Kobe, because Nick Young is glued to the bench.
     
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    Don't forget the12-13 season ... to me that was one of his best seasons in his career.
     
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    Kobe's shot looks so different from play to play.. must be the legs. It's hard to watch him miss so many shots. There was a time he'd hit 60% of those wide open shots no problem..

    I wish he'd just play 2-3 mins against the bench players every quarter and have a proper farewell tour because he's going to end up crippled at this rate. He's already going to have golfball sized finger/knuckle joints.. does he really need a wheelchair too? This is becoming stupid to watch now. This coach doesn't have Kobe's best intentions in mind nor the teams so why the hell is he the coach?
     
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    I've been trying to rationalize the minute and there's really only a few conclusions to be made:

    1. Byron (and by extension the FO) wants Kobe to get injured so that he'll be out of the way for the young players. This one is pretty nefarious, but it comes with the assumption that Byron (and by extension the FO) knows that Kobe cannot possibly shoulder this many minutes at this stage in his career. Any rational person knows that a 37 year old player should not be playing this many minutes in a game ESPECIALLY if he's already admitted that he's tired ESPECIALLY if you can absolutely see that he's tired on the floor (inconsistent shooting motion is a huge red flag).

    2. Byron (and by extension the FO) has enabled Kobe to do this because they are too weak to tell him no. This one is troublesome becomes it indicates there's no one with a spine in our FO. No one is willing to tell Kobe to either scale back his time on the floor or his presence on the floor. No one wants to step in and tell a 37 year old man that he can't have this. He's basically a spoiled child and the Lakers are the parents that enabled him to get to that point. Now it's costing the Lakers time and opportunity for the team to become established in their post Kobe Bryant Era.

    3. Byron (and by extension the FO) is incompetent. They actually don't realize that a 37 year old shouldn't dominate possessions, shouldn't be taking this many shots, and shouldn't be playing this many minutes. They think Kobe is still capable of playing at an elite level where he can carry a team to victory on a nightly basis. They don't think it would be a better idea to give more responsibility to the young players so that they can grow. This is probably the most frightening conclusion because it means even after Kobe is gone the people on our sidelines and in our FO are so incompetent that they're likely to fail again anyway.
     
  8. wcsoldier81

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    2. is the most likely conclusion between your 3s imo

    I'd say 4. plain and simple tanking ... which prevents the FO to eventually clash with Kobe too ( and to deteriorate even more its image from the fanbase) so management sees the Kobe situation as a double win I guess
     
  9. lakersyunowin

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    You know that video where Kobe's old high school point guard interviewed him? It amazed me to see how all those former teammates and contemporaries of Kobe looked so...old. Granted Kobe aged well and has taken care of his body better than those guys, but still...he's that old on the inside. Makes these 34 minutes per game seem all the more unsustainable.
     
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    I would say probably a combination of 2 and 3. Kobe's minutes should be closer to 20 minutes and when he retires, the FO will have no choice, but to give the young guys more responsibilities and playing time.
     
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    We can't overcome his bad shooting. I don't know how a decent team to good team could overcome his bad shooting, and we're horrible; the fact that we're still competitive in some of these games while Kobe is shooting 30% is surprising too me. It's just sad to watch...
     
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    ^ I wonder what our record looks like with a Kobe shooting 40% and a different coach. We've lost a lot of close ones.
     
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    Good question. .500 maybe?
     
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    Yeah...we'd be a Playoff team

    :dwightcrying:
     
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    The West is pretty wide open this year besides the top 2 or 3, I'd say we would probably be in the mix for 7th-10th.
     
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    I think Kobe took a big leap in 02-03...easily could've won MVP that year. 03-04, he had a down year with the knee surgery/trial...KG was the best player that year. 04-05 was another down year cut short by injury, but from 2005-2009 (Lebron is debatable in 2009) I would say he held onto 'Best Player in the World' status. The broken finger/knee issues kind of slowed him down in early 2010, but he was dominant in the playoffs after getting his knee drained.
     
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    Agreed. Those "legal issue" years made Kobe take a step back but that 02-03 season Kobe was spectacular. It's his most under-rated season. No one ever talks about it. It's also one of his most athletic seasons. Most of those crazy baseline dunks took place that year.


     
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    This one too.

     
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    He's not going to last the season.
     
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    I agree with you but in this case it's because he has the stomach flu. Byron playing him 35+ minutes a game will kill him. The only thing that kept him under 30 tonight was gastroenteritis.
     

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