Kobe Bryant Discussion: Mamba Out!

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  1. tada

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    Kobe's always been a "shot-maker" He takes and makes difficult shots. That's who he is. It's just that when he misses them they look like terrible shots.
     
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    C'mon man really? What year were those shots in?

    Watch games this year and see how he airballs shots from 23 feet out. He shouldn't be taking those shots. Your argument is so terrible man that I can't honestly fight it. It's just... So because he could make shots like that before, he can always make them? Do you think Jordan in Washington looked the same as Jordan in Chicago? You think Jordan in Washington could dunk from the free throw line? Of course not. You adjust to your abilities. Kobe has done it forever and he should continue doing it this year. He shouldn't just take the same shots he was taking as a young man with far fewer miles on his legs.

    C'mon. I've been one of Kobe's greatest supporters for 20 years. That doesn't mean I have to be blind to what he is now as a player.
     
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    Not a fan of the Kobe excuses going around right now. He had a good game yesterday and it was great, I was happy for him. But it was like his 3rd good game of the season, he gas been inexcusably bad. I hope he can continue to be more balanced, but we will see. The excuses and we should just appreciate him stuff is just annoying me though. If Kobe hadn't announced his retirement and instead had said he planned to come back next season and he was playing like this, nobody would be saying to appreciate him, they'd be saying he's out of his damn mind and continuing to criticize his play. Genius move by Kobe to announce his retirement and turn the narrative on his play this season around immediately. I'm still telling it like it is though, and if you want to call me a hater that's fine. I've defended Kobe his entire career from real haters on fans of other teams and Shaq-first Lakers fans.
     
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    No I'm saying Kobe thinks he could make those shots when he has his legs.
     
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    But last night was the the first time I've seen him have his legs all year man and that's the point. He knows better than anyone when he doesn't have it so he knows when to push it and when to take better shots.
     
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    Kobe is quoted saying he doesn't know when his legs come and go. This is something new to him and he's still adapting. We've seen him airball his patented turnaround fade-aways too. Should he refrain from taking those shots too?
     
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    The man can still play. But he's old and now MUST play limited minutes and play smart. Worthy's commentary on the after game highlights was spot on. He needs to be playing the old man mid-range game of post moves and turn around Js. An occasional wide open 3 is ok, or last second 3. He should impose a limit of 4-5 attempts from deep per game. Anymore than that is just foolish.
     
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    Lucky Washington Laker fans, they got to see some vintage Mamba live
     
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    fun game to watch yesterday....my favorite part in this whole thing is seeing crowds paying homage..i can't wait for the Atlanta game tomorrow...Staples South, here we come
     
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    If he can't make them? Yes.
     
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    Been tanking with Scott, Black Mamba with the air shot , boy !
     
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    Well then, he shouldn't be playing at all. And I could see your side of the argument.

    The point I'm trying to make isn't that I feel the shots he's taking are smart --- but were they ever? I also feel he's taking way too many shots --- but Isn't he naturally a volume shooter? If Kobe thinks he can make those shots when he has his legs, who's stopping him? It's like beating a dead horse at this point. He's not going to change in his 20th season. So our only hope (in terms of his production) is for Kobe to figure out a way to find his legs on a consistent basis.
     
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    Gave you a "Like" above (see my avatar) BUT he still has no reason to go into Hero mode and ISO ball and just CHUCK on all the nights that he DOESN'T have it, when "winning the game or championships" (what he has always maintained is ALL he is about) is far better served by making the smart plays and passes and allowing the other talented offensive players around him, young or not, to carry the load as well, and carry it more efficiently.
     
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    ^He also has a coach that enables him instead of asking for a balanced, efficient game. Scott is on record recently that the crew will live and die by Bryant's shooting. Not the most encouraging opinion given the desultory results so far. The truth is that 24 being uber competitive can't, won't and will never be able to harness that will to dominate. He is just a different breed.
     
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    By the way, I feel his shots are worth more than simple stats this season. Whenever he makes a shot, the crowd erupts, the momentum shifts, and our players feed off that energy. It's quite ridiculous what's happening.
     
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    Yes 24 is still a game changer when he produces... What I would like to see is for him to let Russell set him up for easy scores, move without the ball. It would give our prized rookie confidence and empower him to do more. No one is asking 24 to be Reggie Miller but it would make the game so much easier for him. Those quick, no-look passes right on the button that the young man makes means he won't have to work so damn hard to beat his defender. His mid-range game which is his bread and butter hasn't been utilized as much.

    As far as Bryant's legs are concerned, he has to gauge that himself. He has spoken of how they disappear as his minutes pile up. He and Scott should find a common ground as to how to manage his time on the floor. This crew at this point should live and die by the kids. I believe more often than not, we would be better of plus it accelerates their growth as players.
     
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    I never said Kobe had that right. Never. I understand and agree with some of the criticisms of his play, but some of is way over the top. That's my opinion. I won't ever go to that length to criticize the man. If that makes me a bad fan fine whatever, but I refuse to engage in some of the ridiculous disrespect that's being aimed towards Kobe.
     
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    I agree, I could live with the misses if they are smart plays. Stop the pull up long 2's/3's for a start.
     
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    I think the only thing we all want is just smart basketball from Kobe. Timely shots, good looks, less eff-it 3's, more shots within the rhythm of the game. Shoot with intelligence and with a conscience. If he does those things and he's still missing them? Hard to criticize that, just time and mileage getting the best of him.

    I loved that last night Kobe could tap into some vintage Vino, but some shots were still a little bit too hero ball imo. Frankly, the only thing keeping a few of them from being bad shots were the fact that he made them. Though I do think overall it was a much better game in terms of shot selection. Hell I even saw him put it on the floor to drive past his defender for a layup. I know he doesn't have many more of those in him, but it's better than parking lot 3's. I still think his shot volume is still a bit too high (esp 3 pt attempts), but it's progress hopefully.
     
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    24 also has taken the time to give support and advice for Porzingis and Okafor of late... Nice touch.
     
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