Cameron Carr Discussion

i actually think the iq stuff a) is hard to know until they're in nba game action and b) is getting almost over-valued? i say the second part as someone who LOVES players who know where to be and can there, etc. but athleticism and skill (especially shot making) are also important. you're not getting someone with all that at 25. hell, i'm not positive you're getting someone with all that at 5 (e.g., wagler's not a great athlete).

i know people are sad about tarris reed. i'm not sure i am, even though mike garcia sold me a bit more on him than i was. but for me, this would have been a choice between two very different players in joshua jefferson (went 28th) and carr. jefferson's a big body who's not super athletic but has a super high hoop iq. this popped off the screen for me when i watched him in the same way carr's athleticism did. lots of draftniks are going for what's been rebranded as "processing speed". if that's truly king, jefferson should have been the pick, and i'll be watching him in particular going forward.

but if i'm making the choice between those two, i take carr, as i indicated in the draft thread when i realized he might fall to us. he's basically the exact archetype that you want if your top two players are luka and reaves. you need a guy with length and speed on the perimeter who can finish on the break, attack a closeout, and hit a three.

the question will just be that defense. it won't be pretty early on that end, is my guess. and he's not a jj guy because he's not a handler/passer. but jj also needs to adapt to the luka model a bit as well, imo. having luka and reaves means you don't actually need 5 guys who can dribble/pass/shoot. hell, the past few champs tell you this.

 

I actually think the last finalists show exactly you need 3-threat guys. Knicks and Spurs key rotation has it. Indiana and OKC too. Boston. Denver...

I think Knecht is a pretty glaring example of how important IQ is. You can jump off the building and shoot lights out and still be out of the league. When you're elite in 2 of the main skills of today's game (athleticism and shooting) and still have no place in the league shows how important IQ is.

It impacts a ton of things. Learning sets, be in the right position on both ends, make good decisions under pressure. Understand what you need to develop. League is at an elite level and you need to process things quickly because any mistake is quickly punished by opponents.

 

I agree with everything you’ve said. I should also clarify what I meant – IQ isn’t the most important attribute for a player in my view, especially when we already have Luka and, in all likelihood, Bron, Austin and perhaps Smart. It is, however, important and becomes problematic below a certain level. As @pika1708 rightly pointed out, Knecht is a rather stark example of how significant shortcomings in this one aspect can derail an NBA career, even despite very strong attributes in other areas.

Perhaps I’m overly sensitive on this issue due to Knecht, but reports of a low IQ worry me. Ultimately, as a role player, I’d prefer a guy who is slightly above average in all key aspects, rather than one who is an outstanding athlete and perhaps a great shooter, but with a very low IQ. Time will tell just how low that IQ is in this case.

In the meantime, I’ve listened to a few podcasts and it seems that most experts consider this pick to be excellent, so I’ll try to adopt a more optimistic outlook too.

 

If knecht could make his 3’s at a 40% clip he would get on the court regardless of his BBIQ

 

Yeah..the IQ stuff is a bit iffy for me too. If Dalton could guard anybody, he'd be given more rope too IMO.

 

he dum?

 

No he wouldn't. Otherwise Swider would be in the NBA.

Plus, bbiq is also about learning to adapt your game. Knecht never developed is off ball movement and ability to be a movement shooter. This because he lacks a feel for the game and IQ to know how to move or get his defender a step or 2 late.
Bbiq is also about finding ways to minimize your shortcomings. If the attacker blows past you, are you able to rotate properly? Guide him towards our big? Give him a little bump to knock off his momentum? So many things...

On Carr, in last night interview with ESPN he said a few times "he wants to dominate" which is an underwhelming choice of words. Doesn't seem to understand what he comes here to do. Knecht had a similar mindset. These guys were used to score at will in college and that made them get a wrong perspective of their role in the NBA.
Only I see this working is the kid really understand the role he will play for us and 50% is being a defensive plus. Hope it's what he works out the most in the offseason along with getting bulky

 

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anunoby can neither dribble nor pass super effectively. hart can't shoot.

vassell is not a ballhandler nor passer. nor is keldon johnson.

dort, caruso, and cason wallace are not high level ballhandlers or passers.

christian braun and cam johnson are not high level ballhandlers or passers. nor was mpj when denver won it. gordon couldn't shoot until recently.

honestly, knecht just stopped making shots. the hoop iq thing was/is a problem, but if he shot 40% from three, i think we'd have found him minutes.

again, you're preaching to the choir. so josh jefferson was your pick here instead?