Austin Reaves Discussion: How Much Is He Worth?

How about not worrying if they get a better second option by trading him and concentrate on getting a better team by trading him.If you trade for someone who is slightly below him offensively but much better defensively than that’s a wash.Then in the same trade add someone who is a much better 5/6 option than they have now that makes you a better TEAM

 

Who is this said player that we'll target? I have not seen a single trade scenario that makes any sense.

It seems we are going in circles.

 

Just off the top of my head Immanuel Quickley comes to mind.18-20 points a game better defensively and Averages more assists a game in less minutes.Much quicker and a better athlete .Also a better 3point shooter

 

Right, except he's actually a 16-17 pt scorer and his best scoring month in the past two years is 20.5 pts. Compare that to Reaves who's averaged 23.3 pts this year, with his best scoring months coming in at 32 and 27 pts. Quickley's TS% is below league average. Reaves' efficiency as a scorer is in the 99% percentile. Quickley is not in the same league as Reaves as an offensive engine. A tier below Reaves, maybe even 2 tiers below.

Yes, he's a better defender in a vacuum. Problem is, he's only 6'2 and struggles against bigger guards. Not a good look when we are trying to compete against OKC and the Spurs, with big 6'6 guards in SGA, Castle and Harper. So the gap is not as large as it seems on the defensive end, when you add context.

Next, please.

 

AR fans just have to lie I guess.No he is exactly league average TS% you know who else just below Quickly? Jaylen Brown so I guess they could never do that trade because He doesn’t shoot well enough.
AR has two inches on IQ but his reach is two inches shorter.AR can’t compete on the defensive end at all he might as well wear a cone on his head during the game.
Meanwhile IQ is a +DBPM and much better on the perimeter. People’s love for a player has blinded them.You lose very little on offense if any because IQ is better playmaker 26.4 assists % to Reaves 24.Less turnovers 9.3% to reaves 14% .less usage as AR is 26,7 IQ 21.1.Ar is the better offensive player but Quickly is the better overall player

 

OK, even at league average Quickley in the 50% percentile, AR is in the 99% percentile. Scoring volume and scoring efficiency have an inverse relationiship due to shot difficulty. A league average TS% at 17 pts suggests that Quickley really has no room to score more. AR is at 23 pts 64.1 TS%. Quickley is not as gifted as a scorer, it's not even close. You can't count on him to be a secondary playmaker/scorer behind Luka. That is a huge loss on the offensive end. Your take on usage rate and assist ratio is just nonsense. Usage rate goes up and assist ratio goes down as you score more.

As for Brown, he scores like 10 pts more than Quickley, which makes his scoring ability much more impressive. He's also a bigger body that can guard more positions. Yes, I would trade AR for Brown. I'll even include a pick or two.

Like I said, I'm not arguing that Quickley is the better defender. But we need to go through OKC and the Spurs to win a championship. We need a bigger guard/wing to slow down their star players is what I'm saying. Smaller guards with good POA defense are not hard to find. I'd rather just keep Reaves and pick up a player like Goodwin again if we need a small defender.

Overall, I feel Reaves gives us a better chance to compete for a championship.

 

If you give Quickly the 3 extra minutes that AR played and the 6% more usage rate IQ ppg avg goes to 21. So slightly less scorer better playmaker better defender

 

Fair enough.I have nothing against keeping AR as I have always said he’s a very good player.S
You should find on YouTube the thunder raptor game in OKC and then tell me IQ can’t guard OKC.Or be an effective secondary shooter/scorer against them

 

Nope that's not how it works. You're basically arguing that Luke Kennard would score 30+ pts if given the same opportunity as Curry. There's a reason why his usage and minutes are where it's at. It's because Ingram, Barnes, and Barrett are all better scorers than him.

Btw I think Reaves would be the 1st option, 2nd option at worst on that Raptors team.

 

Ok cool. You're free to bring up other players that you would trade AR for. Like I said, I have not seen a compelling scenario yet.