Austin Reaves Discussion: How Much Is He Worth?

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  1. Savory Griddles

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    Could you explain? Most cap experts I've seen have us between 50 and 58. Pincus has us at 54 as of a week ago. And no offense, but I believe him before you. Not a personal attack whatsoever, but its his specialty... and I dont know you.

    If you could explain the 40 number, Id like to know.
     
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    the number i keep seeing is 45, but i've also seen 54.

    here's what we know for sure:

    luka gets 50
    vando gets 12
    laravia gets 6
    knecht gets 4
    theiro gets 2

    ayton and smart have POs at 8 and 6ish, respectively.

    you must carry 14 players, and empty roster charges are 1.3. bronny technically gets 2.2, but is actually only guaranteed 1.3 (clever). so here, his salary slot can function as an empty roster charge.

    the cap is projected at 166, tax at 202, apron 1 at 210. guessing only apron 1 is relevant to us, though i could see us staying under the tax itself in certain situations.

    the big question is reaves's cap hold. it's basically either 21 or 27. i still think it's 21, but pincus is saying 27. it all depends on whether his 13.9m this year is above or below league average salary. projections i've seen have the average salary for the nba at 12.7 this year, which would make reaves's cap hold 150% (instead of 190%) of his 14m.

    you probably want hayes's cap hold (about 7m), though you might not...

    i'm not factoring kennard's cap hold, and i'm wondering if we've already told him he'll get the room mle if we operate under the cap (which i expect) or something close to it using his bird rights if we operate over it.

    if it's 21, you have that plus the 74 guaranteed to the 5 players listed at top, so that's 95. but that's only six guys under contract, so you have 8x1.3, which we'll call 11 for empty roster charges. that's 106 (60m in room). let's drop one of those and keep hayes's cap hold, adding 6 million to the total. that gives you the 54 number.

    all that assumes ayton and smart opt out. one or both could opt in (my money would be on ayton in, smart out). ayton opts in, you're down to 47 in room. smart opts in, you're down to 49. both opt in, you're down to 42.

    none of the above mentions rui's or lebron's cap holds, which could bring us all the way back over the cap. why would that matter? it probably won't, but in a weird world where we could find a s&t for lebron that all parties liked, this could become a thing. i just don't think we sacrificed all this in order to go that route. it would mean we learned ahead of FA that like, nobody was going anywhere.
     
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    We will see…
     
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    Lakers will have at least 48 millions if LeBron is not going sign for another 50 + millions

    Keith Smith
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    Moves made at the NBA trade deadline vaporized a lot of 2026 potential cap space. Here are the teams I now project to have cap space this offseason:

    1. Lakers: $48.2M
    2. Nets: $45.7M
    3. Bulls: $34.6 M


    A more reasonable projection may be $54 million in cap room. However, the Lakers may look to deal their first-round pick, Dalton Knecht, Bronny James (to whatever team his father joins), and possibly Jarred Vanderbilt to maximize flexibility
     
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    No offense taken, I’m not an expert by any means. From what I can tell:

    Luka: 49.8m
    Reaves: 26.5m CAPHOLD (this could be 20.9m instead but Pincus quoted the larger number)
    Vando: 12.4m
    Ayton: 8.1m PLAYER OPTION
    Jake: 6m
    Smart: 5.4m PLAYER OPTION
    Hayes: 4.9m CAPHOLD
    Knecht 4.2m
    Kobe Bufkin: 2.5m TEAM OPTION
    Bronny: 2.3m
    Adou: 2.1m
    1x Incomplete Roster Charge: 1.4m
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    Total: 125.6m

    Other Cap Holds:

    Kennard: 13.2m CAPHOLD
    Rui: 27.4m CAPHOLD

    The cap is set at 166m - so we'd have about 40m incap space assuming we let Rui & Kennard walk fornothing - if we resign either that number drops.

    I suppose we don’t need to include Hayes, Bronny (partial guarantee ) Bufkin, Ayton or Smart into our calculations and that would boost that number up. But I assume we’ll keep a big junk of those guys and try to build around the edges.
     
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    Hayes MUST stay and so Kennard. Rui I am ambivalent towards.
     
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    i think bronny will be cut and join dad in cleveland. i forgot to keep bufkin in my analysis above. i hope we do, though recently, we've dropped such players (e.g., goodwin) in pursuit of other opportunities.

    your hayes hold is smaller than mine (and reaves hold larger), but i'm beginning to wonder if my sources on those things are just wrong.
     
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    Yup. These two + Luka and AR... and maybe Thiero. Rest can f*** off
     
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    I'm 50/50 on keeping Kennard. He's a dead-eye shooter, but every team that has ever had him has wanted him to shoot more than he does. He's just not a volume shooter, in part because he's not a movement shooter. He's a spot-up shooter that can drive a closeout well. I'd be happy to have him, but if that money could help us get a better two-way player I'd be okay with letting him walk.

    I'm pretty confident Hayes isn't going anywhere, he's playing for the f***ing Slovenian national team lol. He knows its not getting better for him than playing with Luka.

    Bufkin I don't care about.
     
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    They should bring in Nick Richards.Hayes and him would be ideal for this team.FA who won’t cost a lot.
     
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    Not a bad idea, really. He does not have a sophisticated offensive game, but with Luka distributing... that's not even necessary. He can can catch and dunk it just fine, and he's a defensively oriented, physically strong center. It might work.
     
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    And Jackson himself another summer, along with FIBA ball, building on what he did in the weight room this past summer. Such a huge, positive change in how he plays this year.
     
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    I’m confident his fit is right. As you stated a stronger better rebounder than Hayes but has the athleticism for a Luka lob.
     
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    He's unrestricted this summer, coming off final year of 3 years at 5M. Why would he not want to be a Laker if we up that for him some for another 3 years? 28 years old. 245lbs, 6'11"-7' with reported 7'2"-7'4" wing span.
     
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    I'd do it. That's a solid center rotation that fits well with Luka. Good D too.
     
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    Against Denver a month ago

     
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    I doubt we are picking up Bufkin's option. That option was likely there to protect us incase he absolutely blew up. Probably will release the Hayes caphold as well. I believe Ayton will pick up his option. What team is going to pay him more than 8 million when he basically couldn't make it work with two of the greatest playmakers in the history of the sport? I think Smart opts out. So those three things give us an extra 10-11. But thanks for breaking down your reasoning.
     
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    Yeah. He's a guy I've been keeping an eye on as well. I think he'd be a solid fit on the team
     
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    I would revisit the AR for Dejuante Murray
     

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