Jaxson Hayes Discussion: Looking Lost

Lol..good debate, but nobody is going to offer Jaxson a 10M contract. His best bet is to settle for some long term security here with a modest upgrade of pay over time. We have his full bird rights after next season. I'd sell him on a 20% raise this summer, and then a 3 year deal afterwards. 6 seasons in LA, for a role player is a great pitch.

Besides.. Rui and Finney-Smith are going to be looking for pay raises this summer, and we already have Gabe and Kleber on expiring deals. I just don't see us giving Hayes that kind of cash at all. Goodwin will probably get a roster spot, and Gabe or Maxi, (maybe both) contracts will be used to trade for another big as the starter IMO.

All of a sudden, we have hella options, it just depends on how much dough, Jeanie is willing to spend.

 

Sports for me is just fun, I get tired of the bickering. Most people don't really do that but there are some folks who can just suck the joy right out of it. I avoid those people, dumb takes with non-sequitur attitude. Blech!!!!

 

Bust up the lob threat and Hayes becomes unplayable.
I wanted Rob to get someone with more than one skill this past summer like Olynyk.

 

Not real his fault on those TOs. He did his job and drew a bunch of attention into the paint, Lakers and Luka in particular didn't seem to want to rotate the ball back tot he 3 point line. This was the ball game right here - instead of getting open 3's, Bulls got to go on the break

 

Not saying it’s “his fault.” However, it is his fault that he’s never developed a post game whatsoever , mid range shot, or three. He’s a decent backup C, that’s all.

 

Yeah that has nothing to do with this last game - You just take this extreme position: saying he was unplayable. He wasn't - his teammates didn't take advantage of the lob threat by trying to force feed him dunks. Luka in particular is usually great at finding 3 point shooters but got burnt I lost count of how many times trying to get to Jax.

Bulls completely sold out to stop Hayes - I just don't see this as unplayable or or how a post game/midrange shot would help here. 3 always help in this modern game but that took even a guy like Lopez years.

 

Well said, @Pioneer10

Again, any center in our system is a 5th option. We don't want our 5th option posting up or taking threes. Jaxson's job is to put pressure on the defense as a lob threat, finish the dunk or draw in enough defenders to open up our shooters. If he's a "decent backup" for doing his job and scoring 10 pts so is Lively who averaged 9 pts this year. That's just a lazy take.

The reason we lost the game is because Luka and Lebron couldn't stop turning the ball over. (Jaxson was the only starter with no turnovers btw) And we played no defense.

 

The answer to the bulls selling out on Hayes is to attack the basket and make them rotate. I don’t know how many drives Lebron and Luka missed or how many turnovers we had as a team that resulted in fast breaks the other way.

 

Teams will copy what the Bulls did. Time for the team to adjust. Don't see why they can't get a ton of open looks or the opposing team rotates attack the basket again

 

Luka needs to take more of those little flip shots/floaters when he has the defender on his back, rather than forcing the lob. I feel like he's barely taken those since he's gotten here.

 

Complete non factor again tonight.

 

You don’t see how only having one skill (one that is easily defended)as a player is a problem?
Wow, just wow.
I guess there’s no honest debating with you.
He’s been in the League for FIVE seasons and still doesn’t have ANY post moves. Not one.
No middy.
No three.
Comparing him to Lopez by saying it’s not his fault because he doesn’t need to develop a three early in his career because Lopez didn’t is silly.
Every big who has entered the NBA for the past 6-8 seasons knows that the other bigs are asked to do this to spread the floor.
He’s never chosen to take any time to develop- that’s on him.
Please debate the facts.

 

honest debating with you? Seriously?
Of course it would be nice if he had a jumper but I don't expect Hayes to be a star but good in his role. I mean how it is debating to see he's awful or unplayable and equating that to a a varied offense game when posters are pointing that he can be a good roleplayer with what he does well.

Debate the facts is he's a very good lob threat, he's good roller on the screen and roll, and he's not bad on the switch. I readily will concede that I don't think he's a star or even above average starter at the C position but that doesn't mean that I think he's unplayable or terrible which is what you stated he is. Hyperbole masked as debating facts by ignoring what people are pointing out positive about him

 

From the box score, it looked like foul trouble was a problem

 

Do you even watch the games? We were outscored 28-14 in the 3rd quarter from the moment Jaxson got his 4th foul and JJ decided to go full small ball.

That was the biggest factor in deciding the outcome, imo.

 

This is a good assessment of Jaxson. If we can acquire another center with a similar skillset, but maybe more of a traditional rim protector, that's a little better than Jaxson I think we'd be set. Like if the Mavs decide it doesn't make sense to keep Gafford around on his contract with AD making max money and Lively getting paid when the time comes, I think a Gafford/Hayes combo at the 5 would be just fine. Jaxson as the backup 5 that can catch lobs, roll to the rim, switch a little bit and overall bring energy is the right role for him. He's certainly not unplayable now that the offense has been reoriented around Luka. He made Dwight Powell is decent option in Dallas for a while, and Jaxson is a better player than Powell.

 

Yet..Lively and Gafford, are both better players than Hayes. Powell is the 3rd string center. We are going to have to address the starting 5 over the summer. This needs to be priority number 1.

The question on Hayes, isn't if he is useful, he is, it's is he worth MLE type of contract numbers, he is not.

 

Hear me out… Turner!!!

 

Yes! Let's trade AR fot Turner.