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  1. FrontOfJersey22

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    Yeah, I was giving some of the other standard PGs like SGA and Brunson some credit, but they are nowhere near the level of passer as Luka or LeBron.
    Looking at the assist leaders for this season, it’s wild that out of the top 10 assist leaders, 5 are wings(Tatum, Durant, Giannis, Cade)or centers(Joker).
    Only two are closer to the standard PG (SGA and Brunson) while three are more traditional scoring combo guards(Antman, Booker, and Maxey).
     
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    Combo guards don't surprise me at all. That is what Jerry West was. When I was young, I always thought of him as a point guard, yet seems like most people considered him a shooting guard. When you look at his career stats, he is listed as both but it changes over the years back and forth.
     
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    SGA is a 6'6 shooting guard, he's just being called a PG. Similar to Brunson and Dame, really being small shooting guards, that are being labeled as PG. Steph too.
     
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    Going to be tough for Dallas unless some of their injured players can limp out onto the court before season's over.


    HoopsHype has an injury tracker and you can see the salary% of the injured players.

    Great roster choices Morey
     
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    If one of these two dip**** franchises get Flagg that will be annoying.
     
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    The Dallas Mavericks are at risk of forfeiting games if they fall below the minimum of eight active players required for teams to play, per ESPN's Bobby Marks.


    It's an incredibly complicated situation involving both the team's shorthanded roster due to injuries and the league's salary cap rules. Marks breaks it all down, but in essence, the date to look at is Monday, March 24 at the Brooklyn Nets where the Mavs could find themselves in position to be forced to forfeit a game.


    Marks did note that there is a way around it, in that the Mavs could simply lie on the team's injury report and activate injured players to avoid a forfeit. That could garner some ire from the league for lying on the injury report, although that would certainly be a better option than outright forfeiting a game.

    Is it ever happened to any NBA teams
    :ADORLY2:
     
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    I don’t think Hayes needs any kind of special playmaker to be successful. He needs someone apt at running the pick and roll. There’s plenty of players that can do that. Because at the end of the day, success for Hayes is a 10/10 box score with lots of energy.

    And that’s probably worth somewhere between the TP MLE and the full MLE.
     
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    Hayes was unplayable in December

    More, he's not a 10/10 player. Averaging 9/6 in the last month (the "good stretch").
    He scored 10pts or more in 4 of his last 25. Got 10 or more rebs in 3 of those 25.
    (To put even more context, in those 25 he scored 4pts or less more times - 7 - and had 4 games with 1 or 0 rebs, all playing at least 13 minutes)

    He's worth the vet min and that's it. I could do a 3y 10 million but not much more than that
     
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    All of our younger players that get minutes now have improved under JJ and his staff. He said it would be a focus and something he looked forward to and they've walked the talk .... Hayes included.
     
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    Neither LeBron nor Austin were setting up Hayes with multiple easy lobs per game early in the season.
    Jax didn’t become a factor until Luka joined us.
     
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    Hayes is also playing a lot more because of the AD trade he’s literally the only viable option we have at center and that wasn’t the case earlier in the season.
     
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    This is why just looking at stats to measure a players impact is dangerous.
     
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    Got his money's worth for whatever fine he's got coming his way
     
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    No F bombs?

    disappointing
     
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    He is probably right.
     
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    He sure as hell is. SGA is a nice player but i cant be a fan when he's getting the harden treatment. f*** the refs and silver for allowing this to go on.
     
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    both sides have good points here. i think hayes has become someone worth more than vet min to us, but no more (and probably less) than tpmle for basically any team not employing luka doncic (or a trae young, etc.). this is why i expect to retain him on a 2-year deal at just over tpmle. and we'll be looking for another player of his caliber or better via FA or trade, too.

    watch: they'll suddenly stop giving him the calls...in the finals against boston...
     
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    My take on Hayes was that he was actually pretty good to start the season pre Luka. Got hurt was poor after the injury and now he's playing well again. His scoring gets boosted by Luka but the effort, the PnR stuff, and energy were all there at the beginning of the year too.

    Issue remains he can get pushed around, has to be the right lineup as he has no offensive game outside the lob, and he's injury prone. I think he's a legit rotation player but can't be you're only reliable center
     
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    These are true, especially the energy. I think his energy this year has been elite. BUT I do think our bar is so low for what a real, living breathing, backup center looks like that it doesn't take much to impress us at this stage. On 85% of teams, I think Jax is a middle of the pack second string center who can get outplayed by your 3rd stringer depending on the matchup.

    Jax is also greatly aided by Bron and Rui being able to guard the center, allowing him to switch to players where there's not such a significant weight and mass discrepancy. Most teams don't have that luxury...Nuggets, Cavs, Jazz, Magic, maybe few others.
     
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    He is an elite lob threat. Complelely agree the bar is set low on this team and that he needs to be paired with a center with more bulk but I think his PnR threat really has taken up a notch this year. The combination of him being able to hit FT's and his hops make him as good anybody on that lob. One reason Marvin Williams sort of looked pedestrian when we watched Charlotte played the Lakers was Hayes finishing off the lob looked just as good or better.

    So even though he is a middle of the pack center overall, I think he's a good fit for what he does well and doesn't do well. When you have roleplayers their value greatly varies based on the things their good at and not good at.
     
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