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That's $41m. You have to gut the team to overpay for those meh options at that point.


I'm fine with Vuc for 2nds. Hell no to a 1st in that deal.
I'm fine with Zo this summer for cheap. I'm not that interested in the risk at that price at the deadline.

If the Bulls wants a first, I demand Ayo and they value him at a first by himself so that's not happening.

If they need to see the headline they got a first from us then fine. It only conveys if it's 25-30 and they need to send back 4 second round picks. Again, they're probably not going for that either.

 

Beal passes on Chicago



Laker legend trying to make a comeback

 

Beal for Kuzma and Poole, Washington gets a star and Phoenix gets two young great role players

 

To be honest, I didn't check the contracts, I was assuming we could do Gabe + Rui + Cam for Vuc and Lonzo. I now realise we are about 10m short to make it work. Damn, because unlike Kessler and Turner, I think thats a trade Chicago would make for a protected first that yielded into 2 seconds.

 

You know who else has been playing in the G League all year,Jahlil Okafor and I couldn’t believe he is only 29 years old

 

that trade went out the window when we traded DLO. Too many moving parts now

 

That's it for Turner? I know hes having a bit of a down year but he's still shooting close to 39% from 3 and is only 28.

Pretty fair deal. I hate to lose Knecht but Turner is one of those guys whose 2 way guy, fills a need, and can shoot. He's an actual needle.mover putting the Lakers probably right behind OKC in the West only

 

Yeah a 1st and DK for Turner makes you think really hard. Turner should still be a good player by the time the pick conveys. It's also a large salary (maybe 30mil after extension) that we are able to get that we probably won't have the cap space to get to post-Bron.
You get really better now and take care of AD until he retires with a proper center.

What's DK ceiling? If you think he can get near Klay, you don't do it. But I think he will be a Duncan Robinson, and if so you do that trade every day

But I don't get why would Indiana do it. They're 5th, which is pretty much around their ceiling, and they would get really thin at center. Turner is a good fit with Siakam too.

 

i think i've made a long post in the past about how people kind of overrate ainge when most of his rep comes from one trade many years ago. if all he does is "win" trades, why don't his teams win more? what's the point? he just had to "consolidate" picks because he made too many trades for too many picks, but it's also "genius" instead of 3 firsts for one. all of a sudden those three firsts sucked...because danny traded them? because they were part of an awesome treasure chest just moments before...

anyway...i do think ainge has some pressure to move kessler. again, he could have squashed all this months ago by saying he was untouchable. he's not. because danny knows the second he signs an extension this summer at a big number, he becomes immediately less valuable. and if you don't sign him this summer, his value goes way down after that because of the RFA stuff.

so yeah, ainge can definitely just hold onto him, and he'll still have value when he's making 30 million as a young, startable center. but now it will take more money to match salaries, and if he doesn't improve further, people will start grumbling about his shortcomings like they do as soon as you're off your rookie contract.

also, there's this "danny always gets his price" stuff--and we know that's not true because of the westbrook trade. he put it out there that it would take two firsts, and he ended up taking one (that was protected for the most important part, imo) whilst sending out three guys who are better than russ in the same deal(!).

so he's putting it out there that it will take your first born son to get kessler, but he's got his own lower price in mind. he'll hold out until the very last moment to see if someone meets it (if kessler is traded before other moves happen, you know somebody met his internal price).

the "20 teams called stuff" is just more gamesmanship. i'm sure they did. i'm sure everyone without a center they love has offered a protected first for kessler and told danny to call them before he makes a final decision. that's not the same as "danny has five teams waiting to give him 3 1sts for kessler", which is how people are interpreting it, imo.

anyway, i still say i don't like that kessler seems to be the primary option, simply because of the fact that he's not in a "have to trade" situation AND there are other center options for us.

but i'm not as scared of ainge as everyone else.

btw, if i'm ainge, knecht would be worth more than a second first round pick. cost-controlled for another two years with potential to be more valuable than kessler. and that would be the real way to "win" the trade--end up with the better player long-term.

if the bulls want a 1st for optics, they can get a lotto-protected swap in 2026. otherwise, it's the 2025 2nds.

to me, rui and jhs should be a decent sell by itself, as you get a rotation-caliber player and a recent first round pick to take a look at.

lol, i keep wondering if suns management has bothered discussing this stuff with beal at all. shouldn't they already know exactly where he would be willing to go? or is he just messing with them and waiting until they've brokered a deal and then being like..."nah". if so...

we don't have two seconds behind any future pick right now, i don't think. it's probably complicating discussions. now, maybe rob can procure those using the 2025 seconds...but we i don't think we have them currently.

i think he's pretty close to being already better than robinson, tbh.

 

Riley no longer asking for the sun, moon and the stars for Jimmy

 

I haven't checked the numbers and have no idea what would have to go out to make Butler work under the cap, but Riley and the Heat owe us at this point.

 

They don't want long term money so they can enter '26 FA with $.

With DLO gone it's literally impossible without giving up one of Bron, AD, Vando, AR. (Even with the latter two, it's tricky)

Everything else is still short. Rui, Gabe, DK, Cam, Jax, Wood, and JHS still leaves you $5m short.

 

we're definitely not getting Butler and that's ok. He's too old, and he is great in the playoffs but his high ball usage wouldn't fit with this team.

 

yeah, i think i posted a few days ago that if we had held onto to dlo's expiring, i'd have considered taking jimmy. you're going to get a highly motivated guy who's a real competitor. if you don't want to extend him, what's the worst case? he's an expiring next year if he opts in, and he expires immediately otherwise.

i can think of a few teams that should consider it, but really only a few. we would have been one had it been possible. and maybe it's best that it's not.

if the wizards hadn't been soooo bad so far, they should totally move brogdon/kuz for butler. but they're too far behind now.

who says no to miles bridges and grant williams for butler, miami's 2029 1st, and maybe a swap?

what about to sac for derozan/huerter/lyles?

 

*GS has entered the conversation*

 

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lol, right? i keep saying the biggest loser so far in this is riley/heat culture stuff.

wiggins/anderson/hield/looney is basically what it takes. 4 for 1. maybe miami could throw in josh richardson to clear a roster spot, i guess. still taking on two extra, though.

fwiw, espn's trade machine hates this for gs, lol.