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  1. abeer3

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    vincent played 6 games last year. jhs had a disastrous rookie campaign and is currently still out after f***ING BACK SURGERY.
     
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    Agree here. That isn't happening. He has about 3 more years left of prime basketball.
     
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    if we have another disappointing season and can't trade for a younger star, i move AD next year for the reasons weezy cites. but not this year. not a chance. so many reasons.
     
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    Does GSW image take a hit because they didn’t pay Klay his last contract? If not, how important is it for a franchise to be seen as taking care of their players later in life? You can say that Curry is their only franchise player and I agree to a certain extent but Klay was a big part of their run. GS was the only team he ever played for. They certainly don’t seem to be having problems attracting players since they dumped Klay. I think the, Lakers take care of their players angle is overstated in how important it is to future players decisions.
     
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    And? Is Vincent supposed to be hurt all season in this upcoming one? Is JHS injury career threatening? There are varying degrees of back surgery, was this some major procedure or a minor one?
    Weren't you just stumping for Dinwiddie at PG?
     
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    Mikal is 6'6. If you don't know that Grant plays bigger than Mikal, it says a lot about your takes.

    https://www.nba.com/player/1628969/mikal-bridges

    https://www.nba.com/player/203924/jerami-grant/rotowire

    Yeah, Fox is another guy that could work. I don't think him or Donovan are the next FINALS MVP, but they're our best AD pairing after Bron as we ride AD's last years'. I would focus on that and then see where we go next.

    My idea is to wait for more chips to fall. The world doesn't end today. We didn't have much flexibility this offseason and the deals we tried, haven't happened. Doing nothing is sometimes better than doing something. We go to the season as a team that can execute several different trades. I'm sure some players will become available that are not at the moment
     
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    You would, but the Lakers aren't unless he requests it. I just don't see it happening.

    Things are always fluid in the NBA. things change day to day, but this new CBA is restrictive.

    Again, if Cleveland sucks next year, Atlanta gets sick of Trae, Sac doesn't improve; that's Mitchell, Trae, and Fox, and I'm not including anybody that might be disgruntled.

    We just have to be patient. This sucks. I'm getting angry just like every other fan here, but we also got impatient with the Russ trade until that came along and helped us. We got players back that got us to the WCF, we gave them middling salaries and ideally can utilize those to mix and match pieces around LBJ/AD. I just don't know if they'll include picks; although I do think they will for Grant, I'm guessing they're hesitant about anybody else in this market.

    IMO>
     
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    Yeah..but at this stage, Steph has a lot more left in the tank than Klay, Draymond too. They offered Klay more than he got in Dallas, he just didn't want to come off the bench. Curry is their Kobe, not Klay.
     
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    That wouldn't go over well
     
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    I think it has influence. LeBron came here for NO BASKETBALL reason. We were awful. Terrible structure. Bad top3 draft picks consecutively. He still wanted to come and finish his career here. AD wanted to come too and will be here all his prime.
    Bron is collecting the profits for that decision: still signing the max at 40y old, we draft and give a contract to his son. Is it worth it? Arguably. We won a chip, but won't win another one with Bron. But it may be the reason Don, Fox, Ant, Luka or Booker decide to come here during their prime to set their final years in a franchise that will cater to them AFTER they spend a few years here contending. And then another cycle begins.

    I think it pays off in the long run, but it impacts us at this stage, when you're old superstar is not at the top but you still pay him like one. It's compensated for the years you had them in their prime plus the higher probability of signing the next one because of that.
     
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    It's not Bron's fault that Rob thinks he's Oprah. Handing out player options to fringe NBA players like this is a charity. And Rob Lowe's twin learned nothing cause his first (re-)signing this summer of Max... he gave him a PO.

    *Clarity: Max isn't a fringe player but we're in this spot cause of the damn POs and the first thing he does is give out another one!
     
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    Well..Rob said that he was going to do whatever it took to upgrade the team didn't he? Drafts picks, player moves..he just didn't say that it was going to happen, through free agency.

    I'm assuming that he has a plan.
     
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    wouldn't say i was stumping for it. if we could actually move dlo in a clear upgrade, dinwiddie is a guy i'd feel comfortable bringing in. it's moot anyway, as your capela deal isn't possible for several reasons we've already outlined.

    oh, i think this will matter the next time gs wants a superstar. who is is they're attracting now? deanthony melton at the mle?

    i really can't believe the warriors allowed this to play out this way, and i think it's part of why myers left last year. he saw these kinds of choices coming and knew the gravy train was over there.


    this.

    yeah, i'm befuddled by the player options at this point. i'm guessing we might be done with them on the vet min deals. it's hard, though, as if you're bidding against someone else, it's basically just a way to double their guaranteed money at no real cost to you.

    i said the other day i think the max PO was just to avoid RFA entirely. what if some team struck out in FA and offered max a two-year full mle which put us on the clock for all other decisions?

    i think he has several plans, a couple of which haven't worked out, and maybe a couple more that won't, too. not making a bad move is also good management.
     
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    This is what I’m trying to say. Loyalty means jack to this generation of players. It meant something to LeBron because he’s old, but from Durant on down, doesn’t mean a thing, they go where they can add their buddies and get paid the most. Paul George just left Harden for the guy who screwed Harden over. But anyway, do it Mitch!



    also lol I could see this too

     
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    i want to hear more about that, btw. i think george firmly believes morey's a snake, but it's a different situation: morey is giving him the full max. nobody else was offering that. and the clips management would buy and sell george just like morey will, so why not take the cash?

    also, 34 year old paul george isn't the kind of FA target i'm thinking about. i'm thinking about guys who could literally name their price for any team. you want an organizational history of working well such players. i know people think about the strife here with lebron, but he came here and got one more ring and stayed relevant for several more years. he also had a very public record of being a partner in the organizational decision-making. who else has that? the C Bags were trying to trade their recent finals mvp for the two years prior. people remember that. teams playing contract hardball with franchise legends is something people remember, too, imo.
     
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    I think that happens with "bad" superstars. The ones that don't win. I think we are good in keeping that image as a franchise. We already lose so much for having a cheap ownership and full of nepotism across the organization. At least that's still a "+" when a star is wondering if they should come here
     
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    Raj is just depressed like every other fan.

    Russell Westbrook was the bottom for me. That was pretty depressing.
     
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    for some reason i'm reminded of when the mavs hired gersson rosas, he came in and suggested they trade dirk (to his former employer, lol), and they fired him.
     
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    Oh..ok.. Bridges is 6'6 209 Lbs, Grant is 6'7 210 lbs. That inch makes them totally different players?

    If you watch games. It's damn impossible to tell the difference, between a SF/PF these days. It depends on the team.

    I guess you haven't really seen the two of them playing much, if you think there is some big difference in their playing styles. Grant in the bubble shows his versatility, you might have missed that.

    I don't know what deals we've tried, besides the dumb idea of Klay at 4/80. That indicates that we want Chokeolo gone IMO, however you might see it diffently.

    We'll find out shortly if Pelinka has a move in mind or not.
     
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    So did he sign a two year deal or is he planning on signing it? Last bit of leverage lol.
     
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