Rob Pelinka Discussion: He's Scrambling

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    I don't think he is, because if AD is out games I don't think Hayes's size and weight can handle the size of bigger starting centers. For that matter, nor can Colin. But IMO he could do it a lot better than NO D, puny, 6'9" 215lb Christian Wood. Am holding out hope, against the odds that Rob can pull another rabbit out of his hat with another center with adequate height and importantly muscle, with decent skills defensively. We have plenty of firepower offensively.
     
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    Lakers ditch the usual star-chasing for sensible free-agent decisions to augment their core

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    By Jovan Buha
    Jul 1, 2023

    Fewer than 24 hours into NBA free agency, the Lakers executed their stated plan of running back last season’s core with marginal upgrades and cemented themselves as one of the offseason’s big early winners.

    Los Angeles locked in continuity for next season and rounded out its roster on the second day of free agency, agreeing to retain the starting backcourt of Austin Reaves (four years, approximately $56 million with a fourth-year player option) and D’Angelo Russell (two years, $37 million with a player option on the second year), while adding a backup center in Jaxson Hayes for two years at the veteran’s minimum, with a player option on the second year. Those moves came one day after the Lakers agreed to terms with Gabe Vincent, Taurean Prince and Cam Reddish while retaining Rui Hachimura.

    Reaves, Russell and Hachimura were the organization’s top three priorities to retain. Given how the free-agency market played out, Los Angeles ended up firmly in the driver’s seat for each free agent, which is reflected in the value of each of the contracts they agreed to.

    The biggest move, by far, was retaining Reaves, which brings the roster to 13 players. The Lakers succeeded in scaring off the rest of the market for the restricted free agent, most notably the San Antonio Spurs and Houston Rockets. No team with cap space was willing to offer Reaves a four-year max contract at around $102 million if the Lakers were going to match anyway.

    Instead, the Lakers will pay Reaves almost half of that price over the four years. The first two seasons of Reaves’ deal would have been for the same dollar figure regardless of the deal he signed, but the last two would’ve been backloaded had the Lakers been forced to match another team’s maximum offer, which would’ve affected how the Lakers built their roster in 2025-26 and 2026-27. The trade-off is Reaves got a player option on the fourth year and can enter free agency in 2026, when he’ll be 28.

    Had Reaves been an unrestricted free agent, he likely would’ve agreed to a contract worth well north of $100 million this offseason. The 6-foot-5 guard just turned 25 and was the third-best player on a team that made the Western Conference finals. Over the final 10 games of the regular season, when Reaves became a full-time starter, he averaged 18.3 points, 3.3 rebounds and 6.1 assists per game while shooting 57.1 percent from the field, 48.6 percent from 3 and 89.8 percent from the free-throw line.

    Reaves continued his stellar play into the playoffs, averaging 16.9 points, 4.4 rebounds, 4.6 assists on 46.4 percent from the field and 44.3 from 3 as a starter over the Lakers’ 16 games. The only players to hit those marks last postseason were Nikola Jokić, Devin Booker and Kawhi Leonard (though Leonard only played in two postseason games). Team USA identified Reaves as a young player on the rise and invited him to play on its FIBA World Cup squad this summer.

    The Lakers plan on running more of their offense through Reaves next season, unlocking the point guard skills he’s flashed through his first two years in the league, according to team sources not authorized to speak publicly.

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    D’Angelo Russell and Austin Reaves are both returning to the Lakers. (Photo: Jayne Kamin-Oncea / USA Today)
    The Lakers also secured Russell, their projected starting point guard, at a fair price after he helped them get to the Western Conference finals but struggled once there. The 27-year-old was one of the top unrestricted free agents guards in free agency, as the one-time All-Star possesses an elite combination of 3-point shooting (41.1 percent in the regular season since joining the Lakers in February) and playmaking (6.1 assists per game in the regular season for Los Angeles).

    He was a better player and fit than Russell Westbrook, the player he essentially replaced. But the market for Russell was cold. His postseason struggles and defensive limitations make him a difficult fit as a top option for a team with title aspirations. Russell’s numbers dramatically dipped in the 2023 playoffs, from his points (17.4 to 13.3) to assists (6.1 to 4.6) to field goal percentage to 3-point percentage (41.4 to 31.0). He especially struggled against the Nuggetsin the Western Conference finals, averaging 6.8 points on 32.2 percent shooting while losing his starting spot by Game 4. Teams value a player’s performance the deeper he advances in the playoffs. That, more than anything, worked against Russell in free agency.

    As other teams filled their point guard voids, including the Lakers with former Heat guard Gabe Vincent and the Raptors with Russell’s former teammate Dennis Schröder, a short-term return to Los Angeles became the only logical option. This is a temporary marriage of convenience for both parties. The Lakers can move Russell during the 2023-24 season, and Russell gained the ability to opt out and sign elsewhere next summer. (One wrinkle: Russell has the right to veto any trade, but as Nate Duncan of the Dunc’d On Basketball NBA podcast noted on Twitter, the new CBA allows the team and player to negotiate the ability to waive that right as part of contract discussions. It remains unclear if the Lakers and Russell did so with this contract.)

    In their second low-stakes gamble of the offseason (the other being Reddish), the Lakers signed the 23-year-old Hayes, formerly of the New Orleans Pelicans. With Hayes (the No. 8 pick in 2019), Hachimura (the No. 9 pick) and Reddish (the No. 10 pick) on the roster, the Lakers have the entire middle of the 2019 NBA Draft lottery.

    The 6-foot-11 Hayes is a high-flyer who is an excellent rim runner, lob finisher and shot blocker. He’s shot 75.2 percent from within three feet of the rim for his career, an elite figure. There are questions about his focus and awareness. He’s a work in progress as a shooter, flashing 3-point range the two previous seasons. Defensively, he can make game-changing plays but has a propensity for foul trouble. It’s still unclear if he’s better as a power forward or center; in fact, his best basketball came in the 2021-22 season when he played as a power forward next to Jonas Valančiūnas.

    If the Lakers are planning on using Hayes as their primary backup center and spot starter if Anthony Davis is injured, they are taking a medium risk. Hayes is coming off a season in which he played the fewest minutes (13.0 per game) and games (47) of his four-year career after being replaced by Larry Nance Jr. in the Pelicans’ rotation. Last year, Hayes was sentenced to 450 hours of community service, 52 weeks of domestic-violence classes and three years of probation after pleading no contest to two misdemeanor charges that followed an incident with his girlfriend in Woodland Hills, Calif., in July 2021.

    Here is what the Lakers ‘ depth chart currently looks like with their 13 total players.

    Lakers' current depth chart

    STARTERS

    BENCH
    BENCH

    PG
    D'Angelo Russell
    Gabe Vincent
    Jalen Hood-Schifino
    SG
    Austin Reaves
    Max Christie
    Maxwell Lewis
    SF
    LeBron James
    Taurean Prince
    Cam Reddish
    PF
    Rui Hachimura
    Jarred Vanderbilt
    C
    Anthony Davis
    Jaxson Hayes

    The projected lineups are fluid. Russell is the early favorite to start at point guard, but Vincent could earn the spot if he outplays him in training camp, team sources told The Athletic. After investing heavily in Hachimura this summer, the Lakers expect him to pick up where he left off in the postseason and remain a starter despite being a bench player during the regular season. The Lakers also have plenty of positional flexibility, with Jarred Vanderbilt, Prince, Max Christie and Reddish each capable of playing at least two positions. We may even see Hayes and Davis play together at times.

    Depending on the exact first-year salaries of their new contracts, the Lakers’ payroll will be at around $165 million in guaranteed salary with 13 players. That means they’re roughly $7 million under the $172 million first apron hard-cap line with two empty roster spots available. The Lakers could still offer Malik Beasley or Lonnie Walker IV more than a minimum contract, but it’s unclear where either one would fit into the rotation with Reaves, Russell, Vincent, Prince and Christie already logging minutes at the three perimeter spots (to say nothing of James, who is basically positionless, or rookies Jalen Hood-Schifinoand Maxwell Lewis).

    L.A. is targeting another big man with its 14th roster spot, according to team sources. They are likely to carry 14 guaranteed contracts into the season, leaving one roster spot open. Mo Bamba, whom the Lakers waived on Thursday, and Tristan Thompson, who joined the team right before their playoff run, remain options to fill that 14th spot, according to league sources. The big man market has been dry so far during this free-agency period, so the Lakers could also wait to see if better options present themselves.

    In the closest thing to his first public comments since he hinted at retirement following the Lakers’ Game 4 loss to Denver, James acknowledged each of the Lakers’ deals on his Instagram story. The Lakers continue to operate as if he will return next season.



    Assuming the Lakers sign another dependable big, their offseason will conclude as a resounding success. There was a sober stability to their decision-making process that contrasted with some of the splashy mistakes they’ve made in past offseasons pursuing stars and over-the-hill role players with pedigree.

    They didn’t sacrifice their supporting cast to chase after Kyrie Irving or Fred VanVleet, as they did in 2021 when trading for Westbrook. Instead, they retained their two most promising younger performers in the playoffs (Reaves and Hachimura), added two sharpshooters who offer above-average defense (Vincent and Prince) to a rotation that needed those types of role players and took two low-risk swings on length and athleticism with top-10 picks Hayes and Reddish. The decision to retain Russell on a short-term deal was a trickier decision, given the legitimate questions about his playoff viability and role on a contending team, but he’s at least a solid regular-season contributor who should have value around the trade deadline as a pseudo-expiring contract.

    Among contenders, the Lakers are one of the few teams so far to meaningfully add to their roster since the beginning of free agency. (That could, of course, change in a heartbeat depending on where Damian Lillard and James Hardenland.) The Phoenix Suns added Bradley Beal to form one of the league’s best trios and nailed a bunch of their fringe signings but could miss Chris Paul. The Golden State Warriors need to incorporate Paul into their style of play. The Denver Nuggets remain the clear favorite in both the West and the NBA, but they took a hit with the loss of Bruce Brown. The LA Clippers loom as the next super team if they can pull off a Harden mega-trade, but they haven’t yet. The Boston C Bags are, on paper, the most talented team in the league, but the loss of Marcus Smart looms. The Milwaukee Bucks retained Khris Middleton and Brook Lopez, extending their championship core’s window, but they haven’t added anyone of note yet. The Miami Heat, fresh off an NBA Finals run, are the overwhelming favorites to land Lillard but lost key role players in Vincent and Max Strus.
    The Lakers have elevated themselves, if only slightly, within the mix. They did as well as they could with the resources they had available and kept the core ingredients of a conference finalist that finished 19-8 over their last 27 regular-season games, including the Play-In victory over Minnesota. This group should only get better with a summer for head coach Darvin Ham and his staff to prepare for the new group and a full training camp.

    With several paths in front of them, the Lakers chose the smartest one: Retaining their best free agents and making sensible upgrades that’ll give them a chance for banner No. 18 next season.


     
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    Folks keep hating on Wood for no real valid reason IMO. He played on bad teams in Detroit and Houston, but somehow it's his fault that they sucked. Dallas too IMO Anyway he probably won't be available for the minimum, but he'd be a flat out steal if he was.

    https://lastwordonsports.com/basket...ngeles-lakers-linked-to-christian-wood/?amp=1


    . Bismark gets a lot of love for some reason, but if Vogel didn't want him, it's probably because he sucks at drop coverage, which is the exact thing Ham wants his 5's to be good at. IDK..I really liked that Gafford kid in Washington, but I don't see how we can get him either now.
     
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    Rob is a sneaky SOB... he has something going on. You are right, we need someone that isn't going to be getting pushed around. Where is Maurice Lucas when you need him?
     
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    Wasn't expecting AD at the 4 next year. Love that. Not sure how it works with our roster but looking forward to see it

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    If AD is playing more 4..where does Lebron play? We all of a sudden have a glut of 3/4 guys. We only have 1 playoffs proven 2 guard in Austin.
     
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    Ham is going to get him to come off the bench and go for 6th man of the year.
     
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    Good luck with that.
     
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    I don’t put much stock into Pelinka’s quotes about AD playing more alongside another big man as in 2020 with Javale/Dwight.

    That just isn’t possible with our current roster construction.

    I think Rob said that to (a) try to hype up the Hayes signing by appealing to fan nostalgia for 2020 and (b) signal to Christian Wood that he’d have more opportunities if he signed here

    (Say what you want about Wood, I think McMenamin’s latest article where he mentions Rob wanting a floor spacing big, and then specifically mentions Wood, is a sign that he is the FO’s preferred target right now)
     
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    Yeah the roster construction goes against the comment of AD playing the 4.

    DLO / Vincent / JHS
    Reaves / Christie / Maxwell
    Lebron / Rui / Reddish
    AD / Prince / Vanderbilt
    Hayes

    As opposed to:

    DLO / Vincent / JHS
    Reaves / Christie / Maxwell
    Rui / Prince / Reddish
    Lebron / Vanderbilt
    AD / Hayes

    I personally think Prince starts for defensive reasons. I wouldn’t be against Vincent starting too for defensive reasons in the playoffs.
     
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    If you include Castleton for up to 50 games and sign a FA center, it can make more sense.

    But some capable people are not getting PT this year. Happens every year on deep teams.
     
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    Regarding Rob’s comments on AD at the 4, maybe he means when LeBron sits AD stays out there with Hayes or whoever is the backup for those minutes. That’s the only way see that working, because yeah LeBron is a 4 now, even Rui at the 3 is pushing it a bit, he’s more of a 4 as well.
     
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    LMAO wtf did the Pacers do besides sign Bruce Brown? Spurs did what with all that cap space?
     
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    DA's including the draft.

    Indy
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    Even factoring in the draft: Cavs are too high, Mavs are too low, we should be in top 4, and I hate the C Bags off season. They didn't have a top 10 off-season, drafting Walsh was their best move.
     
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    honestly, i prefer not to be in the offseason winner category. it usually means your previous season sucked, and it often inversely predicts success.
     
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    The write up on the Lakers seemed fair to me. The front office did what most of us have been screaming for, added some nice complementary pieces in positions of need.
     
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    LOL @ Spurs being at 1 for drafting a Frenchzingis.
     
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    Who’s going to have to be load managed and babied for probably more than a year … or be broken in half. If peeps are worried about Castleton it’s worse for this guy physically.
     
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