2022-23 Team Developments: News / Trades / Free Agents / Rumors

the allure of Hayward is if we're punting the season, which it kinda looks like we are, at least we could probably get a FRP with Hayward and shop him around next year.

also even if he's playing bad or injured, he's still a better fit than Russ.

 

what if washington's management agreed that beal's contract was toxic and offered him straight up for russ. do you do it?

beat me to it. another thing to consider in both of these scenarios (beal or hayward) is that you're losing russ. simply sitting russ basically hasn't hurt us (some could argue it helps us), so there's no real loss or you have addition by subtraction--if hayward never plays a game, he's still not out there throwing the ball to the other team. hayward becomes a large expiring next year, and we'll still have our picks to attach to him if something good comes available. all it costs us is our cap space this summer, for which i don't have high hopes anyway.

as has been the case for nearly a year now, there are several charlotte trades i'd consider for russ.

 

Sarcasm doesn't change the fact it took several replies for you to finally accept I never said Beverley was a better shooter (and actually said just the opposite).

You aren't trading Westbrook to fit all of our needs because what we need most (good wings) simply aren't moved at the deadline. I repeat though, that doesn't mean we should make a bad trade, and any such deal taking on Hayward would be so.

 

you minimized a pretty huge distinction in order to make a point, and you still haven't admitted it. someone said the trade would be adding two guys who could shoot, and your response was definitely in the tone of "nah". and you were wrong. those guys can shoot. and that matters, as our team cannot.

i'm not arguing other points because i mostly agree, although i think there are definitely deals that involve hayward coming back that i would take. one year of bad salary isn't the end of the world, particularly if it keeps options open for scenario in which what we actually need comes available. right now, as you've said, we are not in that scenario. if we let russ expire and work under the cap, we also don't have many routes to getting what we ultimately need, either, and will be worse in the short-term without any guarantees of improvement for the long-term, either.

if we're going to extract value from russ other than cap savings, we're going to have to take on undesirable salary, whether it be hayward or someone else. if not, we're going to have to give up picks, which is worse, imo.

 

No, sorry. My tone of nah was not limited to and certainly not highlighted by their shooting, or lack there of. There were MANY MANY other points that were made that were highlighted more including the cap space lost, the injury history of Hayward, just how awful his contract is compared to the expiring one of Westbrooks, not filling our needs of needing size and wings, etc, etc.

You were the one who picked 2 simple FACTUAL statements and made the argument only about that, which you tend to do a lot on this forum. You blinded yourself so fully in making the argument about something it wasn't that you completely ignored the repeated statements by me that were fully demonstrated in saying it wasn't being debated. That is what you do, and it is very tiring.

 

i responded, but deleted because it's wasting space here. the transcripts are there if anyone's interested in what actually happened and who is at fault. feel free to ignore me.

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/articl...s-struggling-raptors-begin-crucial-homestand/

everybody here wanted otto porter this summer, and apparently, the raptors sorta hate him? who says no to nunn/bev for trent/porter?

 

This is where I'm at. If you bring back some of these guys like Hayward or Fournier, but are able to grab a pick bring back a pick and don't have to give up one of ours, then that is a win for the front office for me.

 

There's multiple raptors players I would be interested in. We'd have to do our due diligence there with Otto as he's always been injury prone, on a two year, and we've had awful luck with injuries. but he's probably better on one leg than Nunn is right now.

 

yeah, i wasn't as high on him as others for these reasons (age/injury). i don't think we can get anunoby, siakam, or even fvv with our assets. but if they go into firesale mode, i feel like trent will be cheaper and the price might be eating porter's second year. it might be a slightly more preferable fournier/reddish type package.

 

Gordon Hayward is washed and can't stay on the court anyway. That's just a waste of an asset picking that dude up, nobody wants him, it's only these internet experts that keep linking his name to the Lakers. Perhaps they think we are dumb enough to pick him up.

These internet experts haven't been right about 1 single trade all season, including the summer. That in mind, I seriously doubt that we are making any of these moves, that are currently being parroted about on social media. It's been a terrible season so far for the reputed NBA "insiders".

I would keep an eye on Myles Turner, I noticed that the Pacers all of sudden announced that they were entering extension talks with him. Curiously they announced that after reports that the Lakers might stand pat after the latest AD injury situation. Hmmm..the deadline for these extension talks is on March 24th tho..long after the trade deadline. This could be a tactic aimed at prodding the Lakers or it could just be prudent on their part. Myles Turner seems to always get hurt and be shut down for the season by March.

I guess a Terry Rozier/ Miles Bridges for Russ trade would interest me. Even though Rozier is small, doesn't play any defense, and is owed almost 90 million dollars. Folks will quickly over look that because he " fits" with Lebron, because he can shoot a little bit. Bridges though, he's the prize, his value has to be at an all time low, and we might just be able to pry a 1st rd pick out of the Hornets. Michael Jordan is probably the worst owner in the NBA, it's possible. He would still have one of the lowest payrolls in the League next season, even being saddled with Hayward's contract. Clearing those books are more important than winning to MJ IMO, he'll still be a GOD in North Carolina, regardless of what he does with the Hornets.

 

Porter..meh..this guy avg 5 pts and 2 rebs and has only played 8 games all season. Whoopee doo.. I guess a straight up swap for Nunn is cool...if we can't find a way to package him with Bev for someone more impactful. I wouldn't be looking to get anything out of Otto this season tho, he will most definitely opt in to his 2nd year so there's that perspective. He would be another guy not on a minimum contract, since that is such a big deal around here, oh..just like Nunn!

 

All the trade targets depend entirely on what we have to give up and the total package coming back.

I wouldn't touch Bridges though.

 

I'm willing to take on Otto is it gets one of the other Raptor guys that have been discussed on here.

 

I believe its his hamstring.

 

odds are good that most people can read lol

 

whats wrong with bridges? he can ball, his of court issue shouldn't affect that

 

His off court issues are enough for me to stay away.

Even looking beyond that we don't know how long he will be suspended. also, the Hornets pushed back on the reports that they were negotiating a contract with him.

There's a lot going on with that situation and even if I didn't have a problem with his domestic violence issues I'd probably still stay away.

 

Well the whole reason Charlotte was considering Rozier, Hayward and Washington trades was because they wanted to clear money to sign Bridges. I don't think they're trading Bridges. Rozier/Hayward/Plumlee still sounds decent to me, given the long-term salary we could probably get away with just sending one pick and using the other in a Bev/Nunn trade. I still like the idea of bringing Kuz back.

Rozier / Schroeder
Reaves / Walker IV
LeBron / Brown Jr.
Kuzma / Hayward
AD / Bryant / Plumlee

One can dream. I think the most likely scenario is we do something really minor like Nunn for Reddish, we let Russ expire and try to sign Kyrie in the summer.