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  1. Alcindor

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    Once he put on the purple and gold we traded him for Pat Bev and a pack of Kools to the Jazz who waived him. Second coming? I don't know about that.
     
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    I'd happily trade for Fournier and Reddish. IIRC Evan has one more year on his contract, plus team option. Cam has qualifying offer next year. Not too bad.

    Both of these guys are 6'7", correct? (Cam may be 6-8, IDK) -- although Reddish plays bigger than he is. He's an above average athlete with good wingspan. We really need that.
    Now, the Frenchman is physically strong, great size for a guard, crafty offense... 14PPG, shoots 38% for 3 for his career (he'd get great looks here), 80% free throws, I mean, I would not complain about that. Dude launched over 600 threes last year, that was almost 8 per game (!) and hit 39% of those. When it comes to our outside volume shooters before our struggles, Bron shot ~6 threes a game (hit about 36%, right? ) and Pope shot around 5 (hit close to 40% in two years, so of course we traded him LOL). Basically if Fournier could do that for us, we'd be golden.

    Just my two cents, of course. I'd welcome them with open arms, in exchange for Nunn, Bev and Jones and/or 2nd rounder.
     
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  3. FrontOfJersey22

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    Jimmy Buckets: too old
    LaVine: too injury prone and the Bulls just signed him to a new contract
    Beal: Really bad fit with LeGM and AD. If he shot well from three…
    Klay: I’m too worried about him not getting his mojo back to take that gamble
    I would wait for someone younger.
    The Fournier and Reddish deal with no firsts going out sounds good to me.
     
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    He plays for the Knicks so I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt

    Fournier/Cam deal is perfect for us. We seem to be unwilling to take longer contracts, which is stupid, so I would be very glad if we made that deal.
    Fournier would be great for us, like Rozier. Those guys shoot very well and are on teams where they still get too much attention. Playing with LeBron and AD they would have tons of great looks
     
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    fournier is a slightly cheaper hield, imo. he's a year older, but they've been very similar players over their careers.

    the club option on the last year makes fournier/reddish a no-brainer for me.

    i just think the knicks don't gain enough from moving just fournier. maybe there's a three-teamer that pleases everyone? like something that uses our expirings and a 2nd or two to get collins to the knicks?
     
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    Hmm, I’d have said the same before seeing how bad Fournier has been this season, but not now. I’d take them, but it would have to be for no picks or they’d have to send US a pick. Bev and Nunn are expirings, Reddish is the “prize” here, but he hasn’t lived up to expectations and he is a restricted free agent, and Fournier has another year and then a team option. If we are taking his deal off their hands we get draft picks or it’s a direct swap, I’m not giving up any 2nds in that deal.

    edit: It’s time for US to win a deal, to get one on a desperate team. Nobody is giving NY anything of value for Reddish or Fournier. Reddish is on his 4th year of “potential”, Fournier is having his worst year maybe ever. I take those guys because they’re positions of need, but only because we shouldn’t have to give up any draft capital, it’s both teams doing the other a favor.
     
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    i'm giving up 2nds, tbh. especially when you can buy them like we have. i just think (as stated in multiple posts) that the knicks aren't in salary dump mode.

    that said, i also think that thibs is one of the few guys in the league who would see bevs as a major get in a trade right now. he does play defense and is a serious competitor. thibs loves that and wants it on his team. i'm not sure reddish and fournier are dawgs. but we need some skills. not to mention that maybe nunn just needs a change of scenery to reset and be useful again.

    i'm talking myself-as-knicks-gm into it.

    as lakers gm, i'd have pulled the trigger yesterday. i think reddish could be really good here, like having another lonnie at the sf spot. and i think fournier can be salvaged. no way he just forgot how to shoot.
     
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    I don’t disagree that it gets done with 2nds, but I’m not giving them up, nobody else is giving the Knicks anything of value for those guys. I’m tired of having to pay up in trades, it’s time we win a trade and take advantage of another team desperate to dump a guy like Fournier.
     
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    lol role reversal. you sound like me with hield/turner. i just don't value 2nds at all. if i have to make the deal look more palatable, you can have them. i can get them elsewhere or pull a reaves on you and get my guy anyway.

    IF the knicks would actually make this deal, i'm all over it yesterday. i don't think they're ready to do that, though (see: all my other posts on this subject).
     
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    Yeah I’m wary of trading our only non-Westbrook tradeable salaries for two guys that are struggling on the Knicks. I’d rather add a first to the Bev/Nunn combo to get a better haul than settling for Fournier/Reddish even if it only required second rounders.

    But if I’m overestimating the value of Bev/Nunn/FRP and there aren’t really any great offers coming to the table for that, then sure Fournier and Reddish for some seconds wouldn’t be bad.

    Maintains both the FRPs to potentially attach to Westbrook if a homerun deal does emerge out of nowhere on that front.
     
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    No I get it, 2nds don’t hold a lot of value. I’m just mostly being vindictive to desperate teams since that’s no longer us, and they tried to gouge us. Like HJ, I’d rather find a better package that includes a pick.


    You are not overvaluing our first round pick, they was described earlier this season or off-season as the prize asset out there on the market. So much so that one deal had us sending out a 1st and getting 2 back, because those 2 we’d be getting wouldn’t likely be anywhere near as high. But I’m with you mostly, I try to get better players we can use long term before looking to something like the Knicks deal.
     
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    I am absolutely convinced that Fournier would shoot well for us on high volume. He would not get nearly as much attention as he does on the Knicks, and if he - for some reason - does, then that opens up so much space for Bron, Ad and Russ to operate it's not even funny. He'd easily be the best high volume long-range shooter on the team, and I'm giving up 2nd pick for that easily. We can always buy a 2nd rounder. Honestly, it's more symbolic than anything -- if it helps them make that decision, I'd do it right away, and carry everyone's bags to the airport if that's what it takes. :)

    PS
    Look at him -- his form is really nice, he's tall, physically strong, can take contact and finish through it. He can hit clutch shots. Plus, it would be cool for the Lakers to have an international player, who happens to be half-Arabic (his mom is Algerian, I think). Helps with the brand too! :)

     
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    Yeah, that trade would be fine. Also addition by subtraction with Jones going out. No picks though.
     
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    Wow @karacha I don’t pay attention to other teams’ players but you sold me on him. Subconsciously I pictured a dude with the name of Evan Fournier to be a puny euro weakling. :rofl: Certainly not big and strong with a high volume sweet looking shot. :rock:
     
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    Oh hell yeah for him looking at that compilation and what I hear about Reddish’s size and great “potential”. If we could pull that off without Russ at this point … seems like a win to me and a real upgrade size and skills wise.
     
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    Oh, he's definitely not puny. He's a big guard! Cam is even bigger, probably 6'8", around 220, with good length and athleticism. I mean, we need a volume shooter (Fournier is in his prime now) and an athletic young wing (only 23!) with good size/length. That's exactly who they are.
     
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    Lakers need to fire Rob & hire Putin. He traded Britney Griner for Merchant of Death straight up! Damn.
     
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    1. Beverly/Nunn/Jones for Fournier/Reddish

    2. Westbrook for Rozier/Hayward

    PG-Rozier/Shroeder/Pippen
    SG-Walker/Reaves/Christie
    SF-Fournier/Reddish/Hayward
    PF-Davis/Brown/JTA/Swider
    C-Davis/Bryant/Wenyan

    Lakers in theory improve their three-point shooting, add wings with size, and do not have to trade any picks. They may even be able to get some seconds back from one or both teams. Lakers take on a significant amount of salary for 2023-2024, but they will be expiring contracts that season. We would still be armed with picks too. Decent plan.
     
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    If anyone else here is not familiar with Fournier and wants clarification on what he looks like, I suggest just watching the video karacha posted. Contrary to his own advice do NOT do a Google Image search of his last name.



    Basketball Reference even lists his nickname as “Don’t Google” lmao
     
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    Dude... who did we trade Bron for?

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