2022-23 Team Developments: News / Trades / Free Agents / Rumors

Yeah he's been forced into a shot creator mode he would be awesome with the Lakers more as a Kyle korver type

 

everyone is in such a rush

we really won't know what kind of team we have before 20 games.

 

i know this will be the object of ridicule, but i want to see two more games. the 20-game mark was semi-arbitrary for me, but it really came from looking at the schedule and thinking about our injury situation. these next two are at home against teams that have played well of late. we need to win them for me to believe in trades involving moving future picks.

unfortunately, i think the indy trade is out the door, as i've discussed already.

the reason the 15th makes sense to me is just because more teams will be talking and in the mix. the eventual deal may not involve specific guys who became available then, but just may come about because it won't only be super desperate teams talking.

anyway, when we were 2-10, i said i wanted to see if we could get to 8-12 or 9-11 at the 20-game mark before i made my evaluation. we're almost there.

 

Personally i don't think there is any new data those two will provide. We're going to get our a**** kicked by Indy. They dominated November and are better than us. Turner is playing at Allstar levels, Hield will burn the net, Halliburton is the league's assist leader, and Mathurin is squarely in the mix for ROY and 6MOY. With all the trade rumors, those guys are going to come into Staples wanting to show out and possibly audition.

Also, I agree. Indy deal is dead. Turner is better than Gobert and the numbers are showing that right now. So the ask from Indy whether was fair or not is going to be way higher now. Also read a report from Pincus that the Indy owner doesn't believe in tanking.


I felt as though I was the biggest proponent of the trade this summer and what Turner brings, so I will stand at the top of my hill and yell f*** YOU ROB!


And regarding the Blazers game, we should win with Dame out. Splitting them shows me nothing new.

 

Well, I’ve always been a proponent of making a move so nothing really has changed for me. Always felt like our best bet was building the team up around AD and LeBron and making some more runs with them as the main pieces (Especially after we resigned LeBron).

After a historically bad start for the franchise we’ve still got a chance here.

If there is legit reason to delay based on back channel communications then maybe you hold off based on that Intel. But I don’t really need to see much more from the team. They are pretty much what I expected when we assembled them.

long story short, if there is a potential deal to be had with a player we want after Dec 15th then I can see waiting despite the risks of us dropping more games. If there isn’t, then we should be trying to make a move to shore up
some of the issues on the team.

 

not to beat a dead horse, but if indy's owner doesn't believe in tanking AND our own FO clearly leaked that indy wanted to see hield and turner on the floor this year, that trade was never happening, no matter what we offered in september.

 

I don't think moving both necessarily indicates a tank, even though if we expected them to embrace the tank before the season. IF Turner is going to walk this summer, you take best package you can get for him. Was that our 2 1sts? Maybe. If he won't commit elsewhere because he is interested in signing with us as a FA, that helps. Moving Hield opens up the spot for Mathurin to start. If you can come off that money and play the better player, I don't think that's a tanking move. They would need a serviceable big in Turner's place and that's where I'm not sure what they can find or how we could help in that regard. We can give them Gabriel and Jones. Is that and Isaiah Jackson enough to get them through this year?

 

I think we have turned that corner we'll be good they the year god forbid no injuries

 

It was an overpay, but you can lose the negotiation and win the trade. That's what we did with the AD deal (not comparing the players AD and MT). AD was worth it because he's a generational talent and we wouldn't have won a ring without him. But we were largely negotiating against ourselves and basically told them take whatever they want. Turner is a lot better than two first rounders. Once again, we would've been negotiating against ourselves (although now it seems the Clipps and Warriors have entered the fold as well) and based on us being the only team before camp talking the Pacers we would've lost the negotiation. But... you win the trade like a thief in the night. Turner is killing it and with he and AD both at this level, they dominate the league. Add in a shooter, something we desperately need, and we are the favorites right now in the West. I had them as a 4 seed before seeing the goods this season and that was also before seeing how wide open the West is. Even then, as a 4th seed, I thought we would've had a puncher's chance at the very least.

 

everyone knows the answer on will Rob actually overpay.

 

where? all i saw was there was a big to-do about whether to offer 2 1sts, not that it was conditionally accepted or offered by indy. my sense was we kept offering higher and indy kept saying no. including things like: our owner doesn't want to trade our best player until he's certain we're terrible.

i feel like running with the idea that we pulled out of a deal is just more grist for the fire-rob mill moreso than an obviously accurate depiction of events (which really hasn't been made public and probably never will be).

of course, had we traded for them, we'd have been a laughing stock for mortgaging the future, and the same choir would be asking for rob to be fired.

sorta like how now he needs to be fired for not signing lonnie to a longer contract, which is freaking rich. rich.

 

yeah, i'd have to see the paywalled article to determine how carefully they phrase it.

for instance, this is weird:

anyway, i'm still on board with the fact that it was a pretty sizable overpay, and we're picking an arbitrary time to evaluate it, too.

i don't think we're myles turner from a ring this year, and i think if we play our cards right, there's a good chance we just sign him in the summer and still have our picks to deal later (and don't have hield on the books).

 

Well to take a step back and examine our situation at the moment...

AD has stepped it up, and it looks like Lebron has joined him in that regard. Russ has played well off the bench. The " supporting cast" of Reaves, Walker, Schröder, Brown, Gabriel and Bryant are looking pretty solid to me. We have a pretty damn good 9 man rotation going moving forward IMO.

I'm not buying this idea that we can't win games going forward at all. We still have two of the best players in the League, and they both look like they are playing the way we hoped before this season started...NOW. Yes the West looks wide open today, and we HAVE beaten two of the top 3 teams in the Conference already..Denver and New Orleans.

Yes we lost 10 out of 12 games to start the season. We've won 4 out of our last 5 too, and now we actually have our full squad intact. Bring it on, a stretch of 13 road games out of the next 16 games is definitely going to let us know who we are. We aren't going to win every game, no team is, but we damn sure have enough to win at a higher clip moving forward IMO.

 

Here it is from 10/3

Not sure how it's arbitrary when it's close to the evaluation window for the team and the Pacers are our next opponent. This trade will be all the national media will talk about regarding this game until tip off.

Based on what the new ask would be, that's probably best case scenario at this point. But it means we pissed away a year of beast mode AD and Turner and one of Bron's last swings at this thing and that we will definitely be paying a higher price to extend him than we would if we got him in here during the summer.



In other news, we're looking for a shooter but aren't currently interested in including Russ for that need

 

I think this team is deceptively better… we have a good atheltic crew who can play defense, and have shown to shoot at the very least, league average or slightly below league average at the 3pt. We’ve been very competitive in our games, and it’s nothing like last year.

I saw why are we waiting? I’ve seen enough from Hield and Turner to see that they would vastly improve this team. They’re both good 3 pt shooters, reasonable defenders, and Turner is just improving his game in every facet from what I seen. I’d gladly give up the two picks, and WB, but that’s it. Or at the very least offer 1 pick and Max Christie and WB.

if we’re going all in for Lebron and AD, then do it right. Don’t half-a** it. And then we’d still have Patrick Bev’s expiring contract and Nunn’s to still remain flexible. We need to stop worrying about our damn money next year. We need some continuity, not every year try to sign a third star. Sign Turner to his extension, he deserves the 18+ mil…

 

I don’t hear anyone clamoring for Rob to be fired because he didn’t sign Lonnie for more than a year. What I previously posted was hinting to the fact that he didn’t learn his lesson from Monk. Now, he’s in the same situation with Lonnie. The kid will get plenty of offers from other teams this summer and probably take one while our brilliant FO chases the Mystery Star.