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  1. lakerjones

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    He’s not going to ask out. Everyone is focused on reading into some cryptic post about him slam dunking - which is clearly one of those “washed king” type rebuttals - than what Lebron is actually saying, which is that he needs to be more aggressive than last game. He forced too many passes and generally just played lackluster and sloppy in a game that was tied at the half. He needed to play great in the second half to match Joker. He didn’t and knows it.
     
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    Turner would be nice. Obviously a different position but one of need. Or Hield. But of course we’d have to include one of our picks.
     
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    i agree that lebron's comment on that post could be construed in many ways. and if he hadn't taken so many veiled shots at his team's management in this fashion in the past, i don't think there would be such a fuss.
     
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    i know it sounds like a wild conspiracy theory or something, but i think the THT/bev move was largely a warning shot to indy (and potentially other trade partners) that if they don't negotiate in good faith, we'll just wait until the summer and get their guys in FA whilst giving up nothing. hence, i don't see us making any move that eats cap space unless it's for impact. iow, i don't see us blowing all our space on hield if turner isn't coming attached.
     
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    Fair enough. Yeah I really think it was a “washed king” type reference.
    I mean it was a sick dunk no doubt. Unfortunately it was his only real highlight of the game.

    I hope AD doesn’t miss too many games coming up with the back tweak. I can see him sitting tonight though.
     
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    troubling thing about AD is we're on what, week three of the back issue now? i know he hasn't rested, but...still...worrisome.
     
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    I don’t know, to me it was an incomplete thought. We were all kind of like well that move sucks but it must be part one and the next move is to trade Russ since the two have history of beef with each other. Reportedly the FO was close to pulling the trigger later on the Indy deal even with the inclusion of the two picks. Since nothing else happened the BevMo trade in a vacuum still sucks. Maybe we trade him for another better player at the deadline.
     
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    AD would miss some games now if we weren't desperate.

    I don't believe LeBron or AD ever leave until 2024
     
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    Wasn't there a rumor of THT for Gordon last season at the deadline? Knowing we end up trading THT for Bev, maybe Gordon wouldn't have been too bad. And I'd rather have him than Bev at the moment.

    Trading Gordon frees up minutes and usuage for their younger forwards Tate and Eason. Nunn and Bev you can make a better argument of sitting them.
     
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    I honestly think AD will be traded this summer if we at least don’t make the West Finals this year.
    Obviously, that means we will need to get some shooting help in here sooner than later.
    It also means that he will have to remain healthy throughout the majority of the season. If he does, or doesn’t, and this team is still awful, what’s the point of keeping it together? Now, if the metrics of LeBron and AD on the floor significantly improve with some tweaks to the roster AND AD can remain healthy, AND they can somehow put together a decent playoff run, then your roll the dice for another season with this pairing.
    Again, a lot has to significantly turn around for me to see AD as our long term guy moving forward.
     
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    yeah, i didn't like it at the time. had i known we'd just deal him for space, maybe my mind changes.

    i also wanted to see how nunn looked.

    again...
     
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    LJ, AD is 29 going on 40, he can barely run up and down the court, Jokic was outrunning him… Jokic. It’s not the age it’s the wear and tear. Again, I’m not saying AD isn’t good, he’s still very good, which is why I move him now and get the most we can get before he gets another bad injury and his value plummets. I don’t think I’m dreaming thinking we can reload around LeBron using AD and Russ as trade pieces at all, AD can fetch at least what Gobert or Mitchell did. Look at what Utah got for Mitchell, 2 great young players and 3 unprotected firsts. How is it crazy or wrong for me to talk about the possibility of this, to want to see our franchise make the smart move for once and do what’s best for the team, and sell high? This is a forum, discussing what if scenarios is part of it, it’s part of the fun.

    I see no trade possible to open our window back up with these 2 guys, look at it objectively and tell me I’m wrong, what move is fixing this roster? Waiting til next off-season to have 30 mil to maybe split between 2 mid level players while having wasted another year of LeBron and AD hanging another year of wear from carrying this bad roster? Come on, not happening. We can agree to disagree on trading AD and Russ for all we can get right now being a bad move, that’s fine, but remember this when we are struggling with this core from here on out to even make the playoffs, or when AD is out for weeks or months with his next injury, or when LeBron is retiring and it’s time for our next reload and we have no real options to do so. Remember then that we could have started the rebuild or reload now if we were more creative as a franchise.

    LJ you have to have been watching the Lakers as long or longer than I have, and I’ve been watching for 30 years this season. You can see when a team has run its course, the signs are there. It happened with Kobe and Pau even, and the Lakers did the smart thing and traded for Chris Paul while Pau had value, it’s not their fault the league vetoed it and we didn’t recover until LeBron. It was the smart move, just as trading AD is IMO now. Just like Kobe was then, LeBron is still worth investing in, and that’s what moving these guys would allow us to do.
     
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    This is going to be her
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    Asking Biden if he has any more of those PPP loans.
     
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    Mfs!!
    That would be great for the league, but greed speaks louder
     
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    i don't think lebron's worth investing in right now, tbh. that fuels most of my recent thinking. and people are REALLY overstating AD's loss of athleticism. ask anyone who tries him on defense if he's immobile. ask jokic, whom he repeatedly left in the dust in the game in question. he's gotten heavier over time (mostly on purpose, i think--and just like most big guys who didn't start out fat). this comes with slight costs in mobility unless you're giannis, who almost certainly juiced it up hard, btw.

    anyway, no way i deal AD if lebron is staying. i also don't see lebron/klutch wanting that anyway.

    i don't think so. i actually agree with gs defenders to some degree--you should be able to spend as much as the rules allow to keep guys you draft and develop. where gs got lucky was the one-time cap bump (which the players pushed for over a smoothed alternative, btw) that allowed for the durant acquisition, which had the downstream consequence of both wiggins and a lotto pick. they shouldn't have gotten all that, and no team will likely ever get that chance again.

    anyway, i'm a believer that hard caps and things like that just help owners' pockets and competitively negate some advantages small markets can have (e.g., being bought by a rich group that doesn't care about losing money). i think the extra punitive luxury tax is largely working, and the league should just up the ante on that and get more creative with rules about the size of multiple salaries on teams, etc. (akin to those designated player contracts that can't be on the same team, etc.).

    hard caps would just lead to even more rosters being full of vet mins, imo. the league would be healthier if the three-star team was basically impossible, imo. that would help stock some of these smaller markets with bona fide stars or at least give teams a chance to compete without one.

    all that said, the strongest argument against instituting a hard cap is probably bkn and clips failing to deliver rings (or even top-notch teams). if you view gs as a weird fluke, it seems like maybe nothing's broken.
     
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    I don’t get why what I’m suggesting is that crazy, but ok. *shrug* I’m saying by trading AD we can invest in LeBron now by putting a decent/watchable team on the floor, and at the same time get assets for the future beyond him? Why is that crazy, why are they tied together as a pair on a sinking ship?
     
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    I just don't think that's a legitimate option for Jeanie. Historically, Lakers take care of their stars in order to get more stars.
     
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    I disagree.
    You say the luxury tax is working but it doesn't seem to be true as Warriors, Nets and Clippers continue to spend. Their rosters are too stacked that it's almost not fair.
    The Warriors way was different though, and there should be some certain of exceptions if you've drafted the player.
    You're basically attracting billionaires who don't care about the sport to burn some money in a team while getting deals and networking to develop their own businesses. You're favouring money over competence.

    I follow soccer in Europe and there's no cap. Best teams are in majority owned by billionaires, mostly from Arab countries. National competitions are won always by the same teams, the others can't compete against money.

    Any cap in any sport brings more competition and less likelihood of having always the same winner.
    Currently the Clippers and Warriors are spending close to THREE times (2.6) what the Rockets and Spurs are spending and almost twice the salary cap
     
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