2022-23 Team Developments: News / Trades / Free Agents / Rumors

Ham's reality is not the FO's reality. What's your repeated point here? Of course they have wanted to get better by trading him but not to the point of getting screwed with the picks it would cost from everyone apparently or what would be coming back. Ham has to try to figure out how to make it all work with him here. The two realities exist separately.

 

Is Kyrie going to take less money? Isn't projected cap 133 million?

 

the big wings just weren't available at mini mle (yes, svtzr, tj warren coming off two missed years was indeed available), and nobody would trade for russ.

now, why did we move two larger wings (THT/stan) for a smaller wing? i have no idea.

if we were going to move THT, why wasn't it for a reddish type?

i mean, this is what frank was asking last year that so offended antoine robertson, so....yeah....

they do dirty work/make winning plays. so, the anti-russ. but otherwise, no, not similar to each other. however, the comparison was made for the initial reason.

 

Asking Russ to do the dirty work like Draymond is like asking a donkey to moo

 

yeah, we can't have a max slot with lebron's extension, period. that's over. factor in cap holds, and we probably only have 30 million or so in space, and the list of FAs is thoroughly unimpressive.

i can't believe anyone thinks holding space to gut the team for a third consecutive year is a wise idea. we just couldn't move russ without paying through the nose, so we're hoping his expiring is worth more at the deadline, and it may very well be.

there might be some conley/bogdanovic and turner/hield deals wherein WE get the pick, imo--just to help some team get off salary using russ's huge expiring.

 

Kyrie's max is 47 million. If the Lakers get rid of everybody except Lebron and AD, they will have approximately 35 million to offer a free agent.

 

We are better off adding talent now and staying under the luxury tax apron, so we could use the full MLE next season.

 

it's so amazing to me that say, grant hill, was willing to be a role player for the latter part of his career (after being a super duper star until that injury), but other guys just refuse.

vince carter is another guy who scaled his game back and kept contributing, not to mention dirk and td. russ is of the kobe mold, for better and, more recently, worse.

 

that's factoring in min holds for 10 roster spots? and assumes we let reaves, nunn, walker, christie, and jones (PO for 2+ million) walk, too.

so even 35 is stretching it. there's only a couple FAs worth that--neither of whom will take it--and there's no combination of FAs that can fit into that and move the needle, imo. we have to operate over the cap, imo.

lol, it's going to piss people off when lonnie underperforms and we still bring him back a la kcp....

 

last stray thought: somewhere up there it said we weren't interested in SA's pieces, and poeltl was mentioned.

that's nuts. he can play. i figured he was off limits in a russ deal with SA.

poeltl/mcbuckets/richardson for russ/1st is something i'd look hard at.

 

Right...The FO should listen to ideas that may help the team, even it involved moving a popular player. That’s the business, it doesn't mean that they intend to trade anyone, you listen to offers and access them. Listening to the Darvin, I get the impression that he was told that, unless it was some deal that we couldn't refuse, Russ wasn't getting traded at all. It's just funny that we leak that we weren't interested in giving up picks or taking on injury risks back with the Gordon Hayward idea, but every single trade idea linked to us afterwards involved such.
Kyrie I would have went for tho..two picks and all, big time talent.

 

Yup. It's mathematically impossible. There is surely some good reasoning for this. I believe a trade will go down soon, or their is some knowledge of another disgruntled NBA star out there that is going to be wanting out very soon. Not sure who this could be. Lillard? Booker? McCollum? Who knows.

 

I still have the feeling that we are going trade Russ for Kyrie by the trade deadline. Problem solved, now we look at keeping the guys that played well .if he's on the roster by trade what does Lebron's extension have to do with it?

 

LOL you make it sound like Rob was just sitting there passively in case some team had an “offer” that wasn’t crappy to take Russ and not actively initiating them as well. Well of course that would be your “singular” take on it.

 

No..I think Rob knew the market all along, I don't think he's an idiot. He was prepared to run it back and hired the coach he thought would be the most successful at it.

 

Kobeking pretty well laid out all the size that other teams have on the perimeter that we do not. But I did want to add this...

Most have at least one bigger guard, obvious exceptions are Portland and Atlanta. The point is if they can't defend their position but have size, they're not at such a disadvantage when you have to slide and hide on D. You don't want 6-3 and 6-4 guys against 6-8 and 6-9 wings, it doesn't end well.

If Bron and/or AD have to cover up for you, you're losing somewhere else. They CAN do it, but it's rarely a sustainable recipe for success. I was hoping Rob was going to get Turner to help blanket some of these roster deficiencies but it's looking like that's not going to happen.

Hield and Conley don't fix the size issue but do help address other needs on the roster and there's several that need addressing if we're taking this season seriously. You need defense and shooting to contend. We have AD and Swider.

 

My thing is that nobody looks at the other side of the equation. What about the problem we present? We have two 5's, AD can play his preferred position at 4. 3-5 we are now a problem. We can slide a number of guys in at two defensively, Lebron can fill the two on offense. It's more than one way to play the game. Everyone seems to be obsessed with what everyone else is doing . Lebron and AD are unique talents, our current roster accents them better than a lot of people seem to think. We are only talking about one " little" guy on the floor. Shooting is not confined to a wing player or guard. Besides Lebron is shooter and some of these other kids can make shots. I don't some magic % from three. If you look at last year's team, we had shooters.

 

Can't impress stupidity. I am listing each team's point guards or potential starters at the position....period.

Assists have nothing to do with your insane statement that we have one of the biggest PG's in the NBA. We don't. Over half the teams have a PG who will be the starting PG or share the role and they are all 6'3 or taller...

Wasn't talking about the necessity of having one, or the pros and cons, etc or anything of the sort- that is just you trying to change the subject

Stop with the irrelevant banter and admit it was a stupid comment.

 

I guess that’s their hope