Rob Pelinka Discussion: He's Scrambling

good thing none of them matter, right? get one more star and chuck the ushers from the staples center in. no injuries, and you've got the ring.

 

Rob managed to cobble together a championship roster his first year being in complete control and thats led him to believe he can do it again, and again and again until hes fired

 

i'm curious as to how hot his seat is. i get that he had pressure from the stars to do the death deal, but he's clearly been released from that. so we'll see what he's got.

 

Pelinka sucks... but im afraid he'll get replaced with Kurt, Phil or some other moron. The real problem is that Jeanie is poor compared to other owners, so she either sells the team, finds a partner or we're screwed.

 

I think people should judge Jeannie and Pelinka after leBron is gone.

leBron makes managing a franchise a clustercluck while he's there

 

is it rob that needs to hear this, or is it fans and analysts always saying we need to do things like "add shooting"? because bob's making a similar point to one i've made a bunch: being a well-rounded player is better than being a specialist.

and of course, bob doesn't have to talk about having inherited two hall of famers and the core of a title team along with the most free-spending ownership group in the league.

don't get me wrong, i prefer myers to pelinka as a gm, but their situations aren't similar. myers never had magic johnson and kurt rambis and phil jackson or whomever in his business.

 

I think Jason is just saying that Bob is a better GM than Rob and understands the game at s higher level.

That's it. Don't think he's talking to fans. JMO.

 

Saw this earlier and my first thought was that I DO think Rob understands the main point that Myers is trying to make here about the playoffs being a different animal from the regular season. That’s not exactly a new or profound idea, and it’s not like we’ve been in a situation that demonstrated Rob didn’t know this (ie we had a year with a great regular season team that couldn’t translate to good post-season play).

But yeah, Myers does seem to talk about this subject with more granular detail that gives the impression that he is more knowledgeable about basketball X’s and O’s and how that relates to roster construction. In contrast Rob speaks about things at a much higher level and uses a lot of platitudes.

Does that actually mean that Myers has a better basketball mind than Rob, or is it just a difference in their style of speaking? Not sure.

 

yeah, didn't see how what bob said was a) revolutionary or b) something rob doesn't know. think it's just folks wanting to be mad and seeing greener grass.

if rob had steph and klay, a blank check, and autonomy, he may have been able to build what myers did.

as it stands, he oversaw bringing in lebron and AD and delivering a title to a team that was headed for knicksville.

 

He just explained why players like James Harden blow in the playoffs. We've said this for years. Once the playoffs arrive, play is more physical, shooting lanes are less available. More importantly, focus is higher. That's why players like Shaq and Kobe would average more during the playoffs. When Shaq wanted to end your life, he were toast. Kobe was just as bad.

 

Man, I finally had time to sit down and write a response.

@Helljumper great response. In terms of what he said, it wasn't revolutionary, but I'm not sure if Rob understand the details within the details and judging by trades and rosters he has put together (minus the championship team), I'm starting to question his basketball knowledge.

Is he too tied in with Klutch that he has to me prioritize that relationship and does that limit his ability to put together a balanced roster? Who knows? But I'm disappointed with the last two years of roster building which leave me scratching my head.

I don't know if Ron could build what Myers has of they had the same circumstances. Maybe. Idk. All I can go by is what I see and I think there is a handful of GM's that can do a better job than Rob.

If the team stinks this year, I think it's time for a change. JMO.

 

Right, while I don’t think that specific video clip necessarily proves Myers has the brighter basketball mind or Rob’s way of speaking necessarily proves that he has a simpler basketball mind… their overall bodies of work are starting to lead me to that same conclusion anyways.

It’s hard to ignore the sense that Rob has often just gone for the bigger names rather than having a true philosophy or understanding of how the team should be built from an X’s and O’s perspective.

Maybe part of that is the limitations of our cap situation, the pressures of the unorthodox relationship we have with Klutch, etc. But at a certain point you do have to wonder if Rob’s understanding of the game is as basic as he often makes it seem.

It’s why our roster construction has often dramatically overreacted to the most vocal high level criticisms of the prior year. Team needs more shooting! Okay let’s get a bunch of one dimensional shooters. Team is too old! Okay let’s only sign players under 30.

Although personally I think if we suck this year but Rob preserves our assets, I’d give him the benefit of the doubt that there is a plan in place to make use of that flexibility, and see what he can do with one more season. The idea of not being pressured into a bad deal out of short term desperation, and instead being willing to punt the season for a strategy with a longer term outlook, is actually starting to sound respectable.

Maybe Rob doesn’t deserve that benefit of the doubt, but I also figure it might just make more sense to let Rob’s tenure line up with Lebron’s. One more year to make it work. If not Lebron likely leaves anyways, so we fire Rob, blow up the whole team and start from scratch. I think that’s a better situation for a new GM to be in than having to deal with the baggage of starting their tenure under the uncertainty of Lebron’s situation.

 

pretty much agree 100% with hj's posts here.

my big issue is that our FO above rob is a mess, and other gms don't have to deal with that. nobody's in ujiri's ear, telling him what he needs to do. daryl morey gets a blank check and basically zero limitations nor any meddling every year (he left houston because it finally stopped). myers gets to run his organization. whereas a lot of poorly managed teams have ownership groups (or, in our case, their affiliates) futzing around in their business.

this isn't even getting into the player-gm situation we have (and brooklyn had/has).

imo, rob's first year got magic johnson'd. i don't blame him for that. his second year was a ring. the other offseason for which he had full autonomy was an absolute home run, and that season was derailed by injuries. he got forced into a westbrook deal he clearly didn't plan, and that (plus more injuries) tanked last year, and maybe this year.

he's definitely lost some negotiations on the margins (we gave a 1st for russ? we added stan to bevs when utah may not even end up keeping stan?!), and his relationship with klutch is strange and concerning (though again, a huge net positive if we're being honest about it).

i think he deserves the chance to try to dig out from under russ. if he makes a bad russ trade OR if we just send russ home without letting ham try to do his job there, i'll join in the fire rob chorus. otherwise, i actually think he deserves one more full year (through next summer) to prove himself.

 

Good morning!

Well-said.

We shall see.

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This is pretty much where I've been for awhile. We will see what happens, but the current roster leaves a lot to be desired and so did last year's.

 

It's hard to fairly evaluate Rob if James and Davis can't give us full seasons. If they had played in 30 games in 19, we wouldn't have a Championship ring either. We aren't going spend like the Clippers or Golden State, so he's confined to a certain range with the money he can spend. Our team is built around two guys that haven't played much together two seasons in a row. I'm not sure what big moves Rob could have made to offset that.