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    All along I’ve thought Hield and Turner are a solid backup plan to Kyrie if Indiana is game. I don’t see why we would need to include THT? I’d give up 1 pick to get it done. 2 legit starters at needed positions for Russ works for me.
     
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    I don’t think he’s amazing, but I do think he’s a very good player. Last year was his best so far, he’s 29 so you have to think this is his prime. Here all he’d have to do is catch and shoot, which he definitely is very good at.


    I included THT because why does Indiana give up Hield AND Turner for just Russ? I imagine they’d want some young prospect and a pick for that, and THT is our only one really. Plus I don’t see a place for THT on the team as constructed, and he still can’t shoot, so I’m all for moving him.
     
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    This is what I’ve been saying about Nunn. He’s literally our third most important player.. last season would have been worlds different with him healthy.
     
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    The Pacers were hoping to do a S&T of Turner for Ayton. Sounds like PHX never seriously considered it, but it goes to show that the Pacers are hoping to actually get value back in return for Turner. He’s also on an expiring deal as far as I know, so there’s no reason the Pacers would want to just flat out dump him. He’s a good player.

    So why would we need to include THT?

    Well because presumably the Pacers might want him, and as is, Russ + 27 for Hield/Turner doesn’t seem to be something the Pacers have been interested in.

    IMO though, most teams might see THT as having negative value. I would be surprised if any of our prospective trade partners demanded we include THT.
     
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    Why would Indy send Turner? Just to pay more salary? They got Halliburton which is a very interesting prospect. They want to build around him, Russ helps them little in that perspect. They would need to be high on THT which doesn't seem the case so they get nothing with that trade
    They can get picks and another trade asset or a young semi-talent for him with so many other teams
     
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    Unfortunately I don’t think Turner AND Hield is realistically on the table. If it were, we'd almost certainly be sending Reaves out in that deal too.
     
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    If Nunn could ever play, he could start at the point because I heard way back when, he was a decent defender.
     
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    We're talking about trading Westbrook here. Do people actual still think we're getting some slam dunk deal? Hield would be a solid acquisition. He is a high volume and efficient 3pt shooter with good value on offense. Career TS of 56.3% and 39.8 career 3pt shooter on close to 8 attempts per game. He also showed a better playmaking/off the dribble game in Indiana.

    According to RAPTOR, he's a slightly below average defender. He's no worse than Avery Bradley on D while being far better on offense. As a back up plan for Russ, I'd take him all day.
     
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    Cool include THT in the trade. It doesn’t seem like Indy cares for him or Russ so this probably all wishful thinking anyway. I just like the possibility of it as plan B but I doubt it has legs. Who knows? I guess the rumor is more about Hield alone but I don’t see how that works for us. We’d have to send out to much. I’m not putting Stan or Reaves in a trade. Hield makes $22 million and change. THT Nunn is under $16. Gabriel only makes another 1.8. Not enough.
     
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    Hield isn’t a great player. Rather keep Russ
     
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    Hield is a neutral player worst. For us, Russ is a negative.
     
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    The only thing I completely believe, without including my Laker bias, in regards to the Westbrick trade rumors, is that NOBODY wants him as a player- only to use as a salary dump.
     
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    Plus he will add some spacing to the offense unlike brick
     
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    Good for him

     
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    How would a trade for Russ without Turner work? Of course you’d need Turner’s salary. Otherwise Indy is sending out 22 and getting 47 million back. Turner and Hield for Russ works.
     
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    Kyrie’s weirdness.
     
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    Russ was a negative player last season.

    I just believe Russ is still at the level he showed in Houston and Washington and should rediscover that form. You don’t go from having a great second half of the season to last years season in the space of 9 months. So from that point of view, I’m judging Washington level Russ against Hield.
     
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    Indiana has ~$30 million in cap space right now. They can absorb the difference between Russ and Hield without any issues.

    Was reading some Pacers forums though, and they are acting like the Lakers would need to give MORE than 2 first round picks in a Russ/Hield swap (no Turner involved). They are delusional lol. If their FO shares anywhere close to that same level of delusion, then there is no deal to be made here.
     
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    Got it. Thanks HJ. No where near as good of a plan B for us. Addition by subtraction I guess but 2 FRP’s too or more? And we take on Hield’s contract for what three more years? Hmm. Kinda steep for one shooter and giving up a chance at Kyrie.

    This might be something I could see us exploring at the deadline if we’ve struck out on Kyrie. If no Turner I’d wait on it.
     
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    But the point is that it needs to make sense to Indiana. Why would Indiana give Turner away for Russ? Makes 0 sense to them
     
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