WMC 24-25: BUMP TIME!

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  1. Pioneer10

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    Never believed it but losing Melo really bit the Lakers. Never thought I would say it before the season but the morale is down he ends up being such a key but the Lakers miss the confidence he brings out there.
     
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    I didn’t recognize half the players on the Blazers.

    After the game, I learned about Keljin Blevins.

    Apparently he is Dame’s cousin. Even according to Blazers fans, him being on the roster is like the most blatant case of nepotism ever. I saw him described as the least qualified player in the NBA. Put up atrocious numbers even in his college and G-League stints.

    Dude hit two 3’s on us in the fourth quarter en route to a career high 8 points…

    Lmao this team is a joke
     
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    yeah, this is rock bottom

    this team has given up
     
  6. alam1108

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    This team has a problem from the top down… trade everyone, fire everyone, sell the team
     
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    We play way to small with Monk and Bradley out there. Honestly should only play 1 player 6'3 and under at a time but we are normally playing 2-3 at once.
     
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    Lakers are a bit of a shambles right now..

    26-30

    No chemistry, no success and currently no assets to make a splash.

    We should fire Vogel right now. Just maybe another guy can give us an impulse of a lifeline.

    It's clear to me that this team will get embarrassed with Vogel anyways. Zero chance of success!
     
  9. D-Fish Man

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    Time to scrap the season, cool it on the panic trades, gameplan for next year. This is a total bust.
     
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  10. Alcindor

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    2 years of failure now with Lebron ON HIS LIMITED TIMELINE - points to the front office. We scrapped a championship unit when we had the FULL ability to bring everyone on it back. There was absolutely no need to get rid of anyone except Rondo as no way would we match the 15 mil per year Atlanta gave him. Look at the wings on that team Kuzma, Danny Green, Caruso, KCP....we had solid players at every position but the simple fact is we won a championship with them and immediately proceeded to deconstruct the team.

    Rob got lucky and hit a nice balance chemistry-wise with these guys then just assumed it was easy to construct rosters so he did it all over without the wisdom of someone who's been around to guide him and tell him "pump the brakes kid, don't do that". Worse after one year of failed experiments, he did the same thing only worse. Dispensing all our assets to get the big bomb that is Westbrook, letting a valuable piece go and resigning a piece that isn't looking like all that.

    It points to the GM and his team first and foremost, Vogel proved he can do it with the right guys, why construct a team that is incapable of following through with the coache's game plan? That's bad GM'ing folks. Sorry, I was on the Rob wagon 2019-2020, but he has shown complete incompetence since.

    What's worse, Deng, Mozgov signings or Westbrook? Kupchak and Jim Buss were let go for the Deng, Mozgov deals. Note that Deng & Mozgov equaled 39% of our salary cap whereas Westbrook = 42.5% of our cap. Isn't this a comparable error although Westbrook is only 2 years and the others were 4 years. Taking into account our timeline with Lebron and our urgency to get it right, we have just wasted 2 years of this man's dwindling career, I would say it's a worse mistake. Also we were able to get rid of those contracts attaching DeAngelo Russel to Mozgov to the Knicks and spreading Dengs last year into a stretch provision. We are stuck with Westbrook. People need to stop pointing at Vogel and point that finger in the right direction. A coach doesn't go from a championship team to a team rapidly heading toward the lottery without someone messing with the makeup of the team.
     
  11. svtzr

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    The truth is somewhere in between, Vogel needs to take his fair share of the blame as does Rob, the front office, our stars and russ.

    Vogel’s part of the blame in all of this is he can’t make it work and looks clueless on the offensive end.
     
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    We need a new owner, new GM, new HC and a new roster. LBJ, AD, Monk, Reaves and maybe (MAYBE) THT can stay...
     
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    That wasn't the point I was making. ALL the attention is on Vogel and nothing is being thrown Rob's way when the majority of the blame should be. You can't blame this 100% on Vogel as is being done right now at worst he's showing he can't adapt to a non-defensive lineup and can't get chemistry going with this squad.
     
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    I don’t agree that the majority of the blame should be spread on one party. Vogel gets a fair share of it.

    He has shown that he can’t create a modern offence, he doesn’t know how to get the most out of Russ, or put our shooters into good sets. He has shown that unless he is slowing the game down and using two bigs, his defence isn’t so great. He has also been terrible with his rotations and consistency of roles for THT and Russ. He can’t be excused of blame.

    We shouldn’t overrate the bubble team either. That was a perfect storm where we came out on top, and I’m not sure how much of that is coaching rather than be healthy.
     
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    Blow it up.

    you could get a small fortune in talent and draft picks for LeBron and A.D.

    our record would not be any worse with a hodgepodge of talent than what these all-time greats are producing right now.

    #shameful
     
  16. KareemtheGreat33

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    Sirron smells blood
     
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    Feel like you are doing the polar opposite of what people do to Vogel with Rob. Majority of the wings you mentioned came back the following season and people were complaining about shooters, no one wanted Green back and everyone at the time was happy with our team going into the season which was decimated by injuries.

    Westbrook has been a monumental failure, which is undeniable.
     
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    why are laker fans always discrediting our recent title? i really don't understand how it doesn't count or even how it's not MORE meaningful given the circumstances.

    we've been killed by star injuries two years running, and then we backed ourselves into a corner with the russ trade. the team, top to bottom, is clearly and sensibly demoralized.

    i honestly think vogel's begging to be fired.
     

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