2020-21 Players' Transactions: Breaking News , Trades, Free Agents, And Rumors

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  1. ElginTheGreat

    ElginTheGreat - Lakers MVP -

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    Overall I think if Ibaka had really shown interest in being here we would’ve made it happen.
     
  2. ElginTheGreat

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    Also, Ibaka is good but not a guy I’d hold all my plans to sign. If he was being noncommittal I don’t fault Rob for going ahead and nabbing Trezz who was willing to take less to be here.
     
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    Yeah I was a bit bummed to hear Ibaka signed with the Clippers for the MLE. He was my number one target. However Harrell was the better bargain considering he was 6th man of the year and he’s much younger than Ibaka. He’s also a Klutch client and a guy who can keep playing alongside AD if the fit works. And ultimately Harrell wanted to be here and gave up more money to do so from the Hawks. He’s hungrier than Ibaka who already has a ring.
     
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    We better keep Kieff , there isn't his potential replacement on the market
     
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    I don’t know that Ibaka would have come here for that just because he went to the Clippers for that. For one let’s not forget he won a ring with Kawhi in Toronto, it’s possible they kept in touch and he had planned this. I’ll also go full conspiracy theory and say it’s possible he planned to screw us over like Kawhi tried to last offseason by pretending to have interest in us and then going elsewhere when we missed out on lots of key players. I’m ok with us going all in immediately in free agency and getting the best players available and willing to agree to sign right away. Waiting on Ibaka might have cost us Harrell in the end and who knows what else. Probably a crazy thought, yes, but I just don’t trust anyone that actually chooses to go play for the cursed LA franchise, the one players watch crumble year after year after year and still think they can go to and it won’t happen to them. Something has to be off with you to choose that when you can just as easily play for the greatest franchise in NBA history that currently has Lebron James and Anthony Davis on it and are reigning champs. I, like Pau, question where your parents went wrong with you.
     
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    Floppers still have not adressed their need for a true PG , they were playing pickup B-ball ...

    All of this doesn't matter at the end if ( it's a probable one) Kawhi can't move better on the court than he did in the bubble
     
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    yeah, i'm annoyed the top FA left on the MLE market chose the clippers, but as i've said before here, i'm not a huge fan of his game (or harrell's, tbh). and remember, he's having to replace a guy that outproduced him last year on that team. remember how much they depended on the lou/trez pnr? that's gone. that was their offense for like 24mpg. literally the entire offense. every night. ibaka/lou won't be the same. they'll have to lean even more on kawhi, who, imo, can't carry the weight for a full season and playoffs.

    serge should have signed for more in toronto and gotten himself traded later.
     
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    Meh, I hope that helps us keep Kief.

    Agree, Baynes is the one. Former champ too.

    Add Glenn Robinson III, Baze, or Reggie Jackson for min. Bron should be load managing early and often this season.

    And with Covid, ya never know.

    Will Kostas, Cacok, and Tinkle play?
     
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    Well, the Clips needed to get someone. This is a good signing for them, Ibaka will fit well, but it won't make them that much better, since their primary problems of leadership, team culture and - especially! - playmaking were not addressed at all. Basically, they lost their big piece and have now plugged the hole, so to speak. Got slightly older too.
     
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    Rob has done a fantastic job, IMO. Swapping players who are older with younger hungrier players who can also grow along with AD. Most get complacent and worry about messing with the teams chemistry. Dude had a plan and its looking good.... Retaining Morris will be nice and picking up another big should be as great an ending to a really great off-season for any defending NBA champion. Plus they still may be planning things, who knows.
     
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    I think Cacok will get a lot of run year. Excited to see him play.

    love to have Markief back, but his twin just signed for 16 mil a year. It would be hard to take a minimum level contract for him in my humble opinion
     
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    Also, one thing everyone is forgetting is the Kawhi championship teammate factor with Ibaka. Maybe Rob and company sensed Serge was gonna string us along like Clippersnake and got Trez before it could happen.
     
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    yeah, he needs to cash in on the title cache. somebody will throw a good chunk of the MLE at him, I'm sure. i don't blame him.

    plus, people forget where he came from. there will be others released this year that we can add. the waiver wire is something that was forgotten to us during the dark days, but it's a huge part of team building for contenders.
     
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    Maybe I'm just being biased, but while Ibaka signed for what we paid Harrell, it seems we ultimately wanted a different type of player for that money. Ibaka would've been a nice fit alongside AD and Bron in the starting lineup, but Harrell is meant to be a spark for us. Whether its with majority of the 2nd unit, or if he comes in with most of the starters he will be able to go and get his instantly and hopefully bring the energy of the team up. I think Ibaka is still a good player, just not that type.
     
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    That's exactly right, actually.
     
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    we'll never hear the truth, imo. lakers have to say they targeted trez over ibaka, i think--even if they didn't. and in the jubilation over weakening the clips via the trez pickup, they probably didn't imagine they'd recover with ibaka, who's an objectively better player (though again, not as a good fit for them, imo).

    but the lakers did force them to use their full MLE to just replace instead of add to their team, an angle i haven't heard the media tout. we upgraded from rondo to schroder and from green to matthews. we downgraded or stayed even with trez/howard (probably an upgrade in the regular season, though). clips have yet to upgrade anywhere and are now operating with mins just like us.
     
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    I think Vogel and Handy are going to take Trez (and Our other additions) to the next level on both ends.

    We will see how the season plays out but I still think i like Murray and Jokic over the Clippers even with the guys the Nuggets lost.
     
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    Overall, we’ve improved a team that steamrolled it’s way to a championship. I like our chances to repeat a lot.
     
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    But he isn't objectively better. If you look at their BEST seasons, you have this:

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    Trez is a significantly better scorer. Ibaka rebounds slightly more, Harrell passes a little bit better, but you won't call either of them "playmakers," steals are a wash. Ibaka is obviously a better shotblocker, due to the nature of their position. When you look at their best numbers, you might say it's even, except that Harrell is 5 years younger (!), he's hungrier and some of Ibaka's best numbers are from 2017, then 2014 and 2012. That was long time ago. Trez is also coming off the 6th man award and that's no small feat.
     
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    Lakers Film Room thought we would have focused on Harrell irrespective of what Ibaka did...

    That, said I went on the Raptors forum, and they are upset he has departed; not so much because of his play but rather the lack of big man depth if leaves then with.

    As far as his play? Paraphrasing..."he can't dribble (made me chuckle), he needs a playmakers to set him up on his pick in pops, weak guarding the peremiter, very good rim protector...".

    I don't think he moves the needle much for the Clips, IMO.

    Admittedly, I am a biased Lakers fan, and I loathe the Clips...
     
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