Damn i didnt think carroll would get 14 mil a yr but we'll see how it goes. True im eager to see what the FO has in mind. I just hope we end up with a good FA next year and we'll have nice mix of vets and rookies that will take us back to the top
Exactly. People are worried about giving Danny Green a huge deal for this exact reason, when Carroll just had the best season of his career coached by Pop's assistant of 19 years. He's a good 3 & D role player that can occasionally give you more in the right system. Nothing more nothing less.
You don't offer Carroll the money he wants unless you're sure he's a good fit. But that goes for any FA, some fit better in certain places than others. There's a reason they call Carroll the junkyard dog in ATL. He's been a veteran leader in the locker room and by example with his constant hustle on both ends of the court -- he fights every inch of the court. Green doesn't give you that. The coaches told him what his role was going to be and what he needed to improve on to make that happen. Guess what he did it and did it quite well.
^Carroll would fit under any circumstance or with any player we draft. He's not the concern. Our 'system' or lack thereof is the concern , IMO. Can Byron develop a system that will get Carroll moving in misdirections, cutting, and spotting up in the corner where Carroll is particularly efficient at? If he can, we will have a heck of an upgrade...
I can see Carroll threads posted unfairly why he was signed for 14M and can't produce like he did in Atlanta. His play is a result of a wonderful system with an X and Os coach. Here, he'll have Kobe and Clarkson, no Teague or a sharpshooter to open up things for him.
Clarkson/Brown Kobe/? ?/Young Randle/Kelly Towns or Okafor/Black That's our roster right now. An upgrade in small forward, maybe resigning a combination of Ed Davis/Lin and or going after a max player; plus, we have 3 picks and trades to improve this team. We're in such a fantastic position to improve this team. Goodness. Enormous flexbillity. By the way, if we wanted to look at a cheaper wing, I'd look at Afflalo. I think somebody mentioned his injury history, but I looked at his games played the other night, and it wasn't that bad. Plus, he's a 38% percent career 3-point shooter, very good defender, and can play the 2 and 3 at various times. You could probably squeeze a max and Aaron if you created some space financially; for instance, dumping Young.
Agreed on Afflalo. He along with Gerald Green are likely going to give you a similar impact to Carroll at 1/2 or even 1/3 of the price.
if I could actually get afflalo at 1/3 the price of carroll, I'd definitely do it. but afflalo still won't come super cheap (I'm guessing), and really should play sg, not sf. also, I think 3 and d being used with the word "just" in front of it is overselling the prevalence of such players. there's actually NOT that many guys in the league who can both a) hit open threes and b) lock down defensively. carroll also does a lot of the other little things (as does danny green) that help teams win basketball games. the fact that these guys can't put the ball on the floor in isolation and make a play shouldn't drive their price down that far. this should be a lesson from recent years, imo. you can go find yourself a guard who can break things down off the bounce (hello Jordan Clarkson in the second round), but finding legitimately strong wing defenders who aren't total minuses on offense (hello tony allen) isn't as simple as suggested.
Not to mention I don't understand the need to spend frugally this summer... The cap blows up next summer. Every dollar we spend this summer will seem more reasonable next summer. The only reason I wouldn't want to spend on Carroll would be if we have a chance at one of the elite game changers. Since it's unlikely we get one of those guys, I'm down with giving Carroll a lot of our money. A contract worth 13 million under this cap is roughly the same as a 10 million dollar contract under the next one.
^^ I have no problem with that kind of contract for a true starting SF. In fact I hope and expect us to do something like that. I don't want to spend that kind of money on Dragic because I don't think we need him or someone at that position that will eat up all that space. I'd rather develop Clarkson and get a decent salaried vet PG not someone who takes time away from Jordan. We are DESPERATE at this point for a starting SF. It's getting ridiculous. That's the position we need to lock down this summer. I've always liked Afflalo but he's not a SF, he's a shooting guard. Again, I'd rather go with a cheaper option at backup SG and get a starter at SF and backup PG.
I wouldn't advocate not paying Carroll and potentially adding another Free Agent that could help us. The idea of adding an Afflalo comes with the notion that you're getting a max player and you could add a wing like Aaron because he could fit into your cap space or minimize the luxury taxes you pay if you're still operating over the cap because he's going to command less money on the open market than Carroll. I'm not into classifying positions on the wing anymore; if Afflalo, plays SG, SF, he could play both positions for stretches at a time. Is it more advantageous to play him at SG than SF? Quite possibly. Nevertheless, the SG position is just as much a question mark as SF, IMO. We need both. Kobe is on his way out the door, and I would venture to say only plays about 45-55 games next year. There's going to be a big hole to fill throughout the season at that position. If we don't get a max type player, then going after a Carroll, Green, Afflalo, and potentially some other pieces that we haven't mentioned are going to be important just to ensure we have enough depth/talent to make it through the season.
I can't see us passing on signing any of the max type players if they are willing to come here to play. I still think it will be Love, but we will see. And I agree with several other posters. We are desperate at SF. Honestly, our record clearly shows that we are desperate all over the place. Without some veterans we probably don't top 30 wins again next year. I can't see the front office being ok with that.
They won't be and they will spend money. They'll spend the money on 2nd and 3rd tier free agents if they have too. We have a ton of options. All point to improvement next year, IMO. We'll top 30 wins.
Agreed. Really, it's not even just the free agent market. There is also trades to improve the team. That's how we acquired Kareem & Gasol. We also acquired Mychal Thompson around the trade deadline in I forget the year; we went on to win a championship that year I believe. We'll be fine.
