NBA Season Part 2: Life In The Orlando Bubble

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  1. OX1947

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    Interpretations and rationalizations are the diseases in humans. You interpenetrated what I said one way and I meant another. Injustice is everywhere. We pick our spots depending on the media manipulating what is important versus what isn't important.

    It wasn't important during the pre-season to boycott China when they STILL have 1,000,000 Muslims in concentration camps. That's ok to play a basketball game because that is somewhere else right? But one guy who gets shot because he wouldn't let the cops detain him and wouldn't listen and kept egging the cops on, and then gets shot because he is reaching into his car for who knows what, now we are suppose to call that injustice instead of some f***ing idiot who has a record a mile long, who was brought on charges before for sexual assault and a cop who wasn't trained enough or smart enough to keep it from getting to that spot, now we have burning buildings and riots and people turning on each other because of their interpretations to whats going on. ANd now, a league that had 1.9 ratings already, whom people around the country have sworn off, now are playing political, further spreading that gap. For what?

    If you do not agree, you are a bigot, no proof, not nothing. You are judged right there. Just like the cop who became judge and executioner. Round and round it goes.....Hypocrisy at it's best.

    I have been crying for 6 months over a man I never met. A man who gave us all joy and happiness and did so much good for so many. A black man I never knew. I didn't cry this much for my grandfather, grandmother, etc. Am I a bigot? Am I a racist? You tell me....
     
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  2. Barnstable

    Barnstable Supreme Fuzzler of Lakersball.com Staff Member

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    So normally we don't allow politics and hot button issues like the protest outside the Politics section, but I think this is an exception FOR NOW.

    It's effecting the NBA players and games so it's relevant to the game at the moment, so feel free to talk about it here FOR NOW.

    I just don't want the talk to continue for too long outside the politics section once/if games and play resumes.
     
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    I've been a long time lurker since clublakers days and had to make a post.

    "A country where an unarmed black man gets shot in the back for opening his car door" I assume that's what a good portion of the nba/public is thinking. From the initial clip we see an individual walk away from cops guns drawn. When is it EVER a good idea to ignore the cops whether they are right or wrong in this situation? Then goes to open the car door. You, nor I, or the cops know if he is going to pull a gun, weapon, or drive off. Now a second clip and more information comes out. He had priors, the cops were wrestling with him, (tasers were shot but failed, not yet proven), people were yelling drop it (whether it was the cops or to him I don't know), (in the pix is that his keys or a karambit?). Let's say if that is a weapon, then what? Sorry, but I like to know all the info before I throw a fit because it doesn't help the cause.
     

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    This page has a chance of getting ugly. I'll let you all know now I won't take anything personally and won't hold anything against you regardless of what anyone says. No one is right or wrong here. It's a bad situation and the only solution is compromise with each other no matter what.
     
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    guy didn't need to get shot 7x in the back at pt blank range....all i can say
     
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    Resisting arrest doesn't warrant a death sentence. And any rational person would question why a cop feels so threatened by a black man opening his car door that he will shoot him in the back, but when a white man walks down the street holding an AR-15, the cops drive right on by.

    But really, it's not about one incident, or even two disparate but loosely linked incidents. The fundamental question is whether we believe that all other factors being equal, a black person in America gets treated by police exactly the same as a white person. If someone thinks the answer is "yes," then I really think that person not paying attention. If that answer is "no," then it shouldn't come as a surprise that people are taking to the streets and letting out this primal scream. We have a constitution that MANDATES our government and its police powers treat everyone equally, regardless of skin color. It's hard to think of something more outrageous than a violation of that mandate. We're lucky there isn't significantly more violence and destruction.
     
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    One man...”who gets shot because”. “wouldn’t let the cops detain him...and didn’t listen... and was egging on....”

    That passive aggressive post reveals a lot about the problem here. That sounds like “it was justified...but I will play along and raise other issues.” He was shot in the back because......he was black. Not saying yours is a racist view. But certainly a privileged one.
     
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    And if that man pulled a gun from his seat and shot the officer, what would you have said? What would the country say? We would have not cared. More cops die every day in the line of duty then all the white, black and brown people they are called to check out. Round and round we go.
     
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    Sigh.
     
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    I just also want to point out that a 17-year-old white kid armed with a AR-15 from out of state is given water and thanked by police for "protecting property", murders multiple individuals, injures others and then surrenders himself, only for cops to completely ignore it and move on...

    Mind you this is the same police department that decided to shoot 7 rounds into the back of a unarmed black man.
     
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    My advice to you all. Strap up and be prepared. This country is too stupid and entitled to understand that their are forces in the country and out of the country trying to divide us. Protect yourself and protect those around you and your property.
     
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    It’s not round and round. It is systemic and rooted... I have to talk to my brown children about things you may never even fathom.
     
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    I'm brown skinned too. Key in life is to keep your nose clean and keep your head on a swivel. And have the right people around you.
     
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    What is this? A shout out to a culture war rather than a call to help identify and address social injustices? You cannot take a life to protect property, you know this, right?
     
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    there were 3 cops

    they could have restrained him and/or blocked his entrance into the car. don't tell me that 3 cops would not have been able to restrain one person. he should not have been shot 7 times in the back at close range like that
     
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    I can dig this, for the most part. But there are other keys, to me, and perspectives and life experiences inform our views. When you say injustice is everywhere, I say agreed, now what can we do to effect change? How can we educate our kids? How can we help others? I also agree about hypocrisy. And I see why Kap and others keep kneeling. I am proud of these players.
     
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    There will always be injustices in life. My best friend has Black Lives Matter decals on his car, he is my brother and I would do anything for him. He understands my view and respects it. As I respect his stance.

    And if you step on to my property, threatening harm, you will not leave my property. I will give warning first. I do not know if you are there just to break windows. And I won't wait to find out either. I have kids and family here.
     
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    You effect change immediately around you. The areas you can control. Raise your kids to not be bigots and scumbags. Protect your neighborhood and your neighbors, community. We all can't be in all places at once. Everyone needs to pull their weight. Belichick says it best, do your job. Our jobs as individuals is to take care of what we have control over. I do not know how else it can be done from a person to person stand point.
     
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    This boycott is meaningful. All news channels are talking about it. We are talking about it and sharing views. Perhaps charges will be filed sooner. More people will be encouraged and empassioned to vote - always a good thing. Education. Empathy. Perspective - what is important.
     
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    Two things need to happen right now. Cops need to have a limit on patrol No more than 10 years, maybe less. The other is they need to start training cops like Brinks Truck drivers. If you know anything about armored truck drivers, they are trained to stop, wrap and leave people who threaten the money. My buddy saw a Brinks driver grab, zip tie and leave a guy who was creeping on him, all in like 10 secs. He called the cops, said he had someone here for them and then left. HE LEFT. Guy couldnt move. Cops came 10 min later and he was arrested.

    That is one of the few solutions I thought of.
     

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