President Trump

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    Trump has done some good and bad things. Banning travel and increased border restrictions was the right move but he was attacked for it by the media. He did a poor job speaking to the American people about the severity of this. Two weeks ago, he said it was just like the flu and continuously downplayed it by saying more have died from the seasonal flu than this virus. Now, he is saying there is a war against the coronavirus. He likely prioritized the economy over the concerns of this virus and that led to him not wanting to shut down the economy. In hindsight, a quarantine would have made the most sense but either way, it would have resulted in a negative response. It's a tough position to be in for a president. It's not like a war against a physical opponent in which you can pinpoint. I really don't know what you could have expected Trump to do differently, though. Most Millenials and the young social media population have never experienced anything like this where the country is basically on pause.
     
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    You know they will. “Hey it’s money” they’ll probably say.
     
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    It’s okay to criticize imo, but the way the media constantly bashes Trump is ridiculous. It’s the same way the Republicans and conservative media bashed Obama, but because the mainstream media is predominantly liberal/progressive you really didn’t hear too much about it. No one is 100% good and no one is 100% bad. You praise the good, criticize the bad and you keep it moving.
     
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    The money belongs to the American people... but the wealthy have convinced you that it belongs to them.

    Amazing how you can fool people to root against their own interests.

    If a billionaire buys networks and newspapers and tells people they don't deserve to have healthcare and that you should cut their taxes.

    Guess what... they believe you!

    Crazy how that works.

    Dems picked their corporate candidate... and people lapped it up.

    Whether they pick Biden or Trump... the ultrawealthy can't lose this year.
     
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    Honestly, don't think the level of bashing Obama ever came remotely close to what we are seeing against Trump. Trump is a couple orders of magnitude over anything Obama had to put up with. Most of my conservative friends were bummed Obama won but once it was over, they were more concerned with how they could make money than with how much they could keep complaining. Yeah people complained about him but not even close to the level they complain about Trump. Then after taking that into consideration, throw the press in.
     
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    Not hard to figure out why that is, leaving politics out of it, and I consider myself conservative. No president in my lifetime has ever acted the way Trump does as POTUS. Not even counting the alleged “strikes” against him prior to becoming president. Twitter rants like a teenager. The annoying and seemingly less than bright way he gives speeches with the always hyperbolic use of adjectives like incredible, amazing, best (ever) in history, etc, etc, etc, etc .... when referring to things he credits to himself and blatantly lying about situations that are obvious. Insulting other heads of state and just generally the embarrassing (thanks SM below ...”annoying” far too weak) non presidential way he conducts himself. Obama in contrast and virtually any other president brought at least class and civility and dignity to the presidency and Obama was an infinitely better speaker. Not the impression of being a shallow egomaniac whether Trump’s actually a really smart guy or not or whether his goals and efforts one feels are good or not.
     
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    As a liberal who hoped Obama would bring real change only to watch him follow the same well tread centrist trash I can agree. I was disappointed with his policies from the liberal's perspective but at least he didn't embarrass the country.

    I don't have a problem with people who are honest about their positions even if I may disagree with them. It's the constant lying and degrading of the office that annoys me...

    And both Biden and Trump are liars. I get that all politicians lie to some degree... but these two are at a higher level of shamelessness.
     
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    I mean, this is why Trump won. Hillary was thought to be one of the shadiest politicians in history. Trump seized on that before people could figure out just how terrible of a person he was willing to be, and Hillary lost. As much of a liar as Biden is (or is he just senile and not remembering?), he is nothing compared to Hillary. To echo Weezy's earlier post, how is it that these are our candidates? How can a country of 330 million people end up with these two?
     
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    Yes, and complain he didn’t do more.
     
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    People who had valid complaints about the president would accept federal payments derived from taxpayer money now that they’re out of a job and struggling to survive during a global pandemic? Crazy!
     
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    What’s the alternative? Let’s be honest, the office of President is suited for career politicians who have done nothing, but get rich on our tax dollars. This is what it’s always been in the modern era and always will be. I mean the people we actually want in the office aren’t going to run let alone win, so this is what it is. So what happens is sometimes you get two evils and you have to pick the lesser of the two.

    Trump was the outlier in this. He wasn’t a career politician, a businessman, and someone people saw as going against the grain (political status quo). He is rough around the edges, says what he wants, is an egomaniac, can be racially insensitive, but definitely not racist and just very brash and doesn’t care. He’s also a troll. However, none of these things, hurts economies, job growth/decline, stock market rises/falls, or any real thing that can hurt or help Americans. For the most part his policies have helped America. So what he tweets with misspellings, what is he getting done?

    Hillary on the other hand was a career politician, was the wife of a former President. Her major policies have hurt Americans. Her foreign policy is terrible as are all of the politicians in Washington. Sure she is more blatant than the rest but if you think Hillary is the only one who is uber crooked and shady then you ain’t looking for it because they all are and only do things that help themselves. And yet she is classy, speaks well, doesn’t tweet, has good diction, very eloquent and would make a good appearance as the President. Basically it’s, “stay classy and don’t make us or the office of President look bad and do your shady business, just don’t tell us about it” over what Trump brings. Don’t worry, once the Trump train has docked, we’ll go back to the status quo and all you “it needs to be like this” people can have your boring, classy, and do nothing career politicians again.
    :Shaqfunnyface:
     
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    You guys are entirely focused on the wrong things. Trump won despite being who he is and talking about grabbing a female's body part precisely because people had that much distrust in the government. Think about it: How did someone like Trump win? He had no background working in politics, led multiple corporate bankruptcies, and turned disagreements into violent personal attacks. The government has failed to the point where people don't expect politicians to be able to lead this country. Trump is just the scapegoat because he's the figure who is openly out there. While Trump is president, why hasn't anyone talked about the homeless crisis in California? Where are the politicians in Detroit, Baltimore, etc.,? This country had problems before Trump became president and will have problems after Trump becomes president. He isn't the problem here. Career politicians who earn millions and get nothing done are the enemies here.

    The reason Trump says a lot of funky things is because he has no filter. He doesn't care what Nancy Pelosi, Schumer, and those scums who have been in public office for 40 years have to say about it. But isn't it funny that people are upset about Trump when the people who are a part of the problem (paid by taxpayers) have been elected to serve the public and yet, all these problems still exist? Puerto Rico was a mess before Trump got there. And yet, they blame Trump. Flint Michigan was a mess before Trump. Who do they blame? Trump. Immigration continues to be a problem. Who do they blame? Trump. Coronavirus.. well, you all know who will get blamed for this.
     
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    The fact they they blame Trump for everything, yet NEVER do anything to their own, to help solve ANY of the problems that THEY contribute to, makes Trump all the more likely to be re-elected. Most people across the USA, while knowing that Trump sucks as a politician, think all the haters suck way more. Most people are amazed and sick of the hypocrisy.

    My social warning to this country is, if this BS continues for the next 4 years, we are heading for the largest retribution you can imagine. It's going to make the coronavirus look like a ripple in a pond. Start treating each other with more respect while you have the opportunity. When that opportunity is lost, it will be lost forever. This country is heading for a complete meltdown. Enough is enough.
     
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    I agree with both above posts.
    :MagicmagicTW:
     
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    The state of US politics is a mess, and so is the mentality of a growing majority of US voters
     
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    Testing and social distancing is the gold standard so far for flattening the curve. Tiny S.Korea has been testing 10k people a DAY for weeks. The US hasn't tested 20k TOTAL since the start of the year. Its a national embarrassment and tragedy. Instead of calling it a hoax and saying it will disappear in april he should have been gathering the public sector and getting them ready. Bulk buying masks, ventilators, hazmat suits, hospital beds etc. He blew it and its going to cost THOUSANDS of lives. All the experts were warning and he blew them off. Stopping flights when he did wasn't a great act. In fact, he was late. China was in the middle of an epidemic and we allowed flights to come in for MONTHS. As I write this, hospitals are out of masks in many places and still lots of people can't get tested. In AMERICA, the richest nation on earth. This will go down as one of the biggest F ups in modern US history when its all said and done. And those Millennials who have had it easy up until now, wait until you see what 25% unemployment looks like after this for years to come. Millennials better learn to adapt....And this isn't just trumps fault btw. EVERYONE blew it. Left and right. Red and blue.
     
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    Yeah dude, the whole world blew it. How about you help fix it and quit trying to blame people for it??
     
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    25% unemployment? That would be pretty crazy to experience.

    Makes you ask the question.... What's your plan B? Plan C? You might get to Plan D and beyond, and you'll get to see a side of people you wish you didn't know exist if we get to 25% unemployment. Desperate people do desperate things.
     
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    "This isn't just Trump's fault."

    Proceeds to list everything that blames Trump.
     
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    Afraid we are heading for desperate times!! Have you seen pictures that show the lines at gun stores across the country?
     
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