And the guy he was released to make room for just pulled a Kobe on Bynum's knee move on his buddy Howard. Not saying..... you know, that's not cool ..... just sayin'.
I like him, but I would like to use him with one of our draft picks to move up into the late teens/early 20s so we can grab Justin Anderson. I really like Black, but if we can resign Davis for 4 years/25 million, we would already have a solid, 3-Man rotation of Okafor/Randle/Davis. Kelly comes off the bench to spread the floor when needed. It's looking like our bigs will end up being our strong suit, so if he can be leveraged for a shot at a 3 and D wing (something this team DESPERATELY needs), we need to go for it.
I really really like Tarik Black. I think he brings toughness, infectious energy, and a great attitude. But just playing off of your idea: 1. Trade #27/Tarik Black for #17- Take Justin Anderson or Rondae Hollis-Jefferson 2. @#34 take Cliff Alexander- He's a Tarik Black-lite. Not as athletic, but plays a very similar game Clarkson/Mo Williams/Price Bryant/Ellington/Brown Carroll/Young/Anderson or Hollis-Jefferson Randle/Kelly/Alexander Okafor/Davis Pretty similar team, but... I don't like it as much to be honest. I'd rather try to move Nick Young in that scenario. That'd free up some more cash. The thing with Tarik is he's got GREAT production:salary ratio and it's tough to give that up without getting back a stud.
Tarik was the 12th ranked rookie last year, so if we're packaging #27, we'd have to (at least) get into the Top 10 to get equal value in return.
That's just not going to happen. As much as I appreciate what Tarik was able to do keep in mind: a) Parker, Randle, and Embiid were out most of the season so that skews the voting, b) Tarik's name was brought up just ahead of KJ McDaniels who is honestly just not that good and Tarik finished behind Rodney Hood who is just okay. We're talking about a guy who is talented and hard working, but is a career backup in this league and a pick at #27 that's hard to get excited about. No way someone is giving up a Top 10 pick in this draft for that. If you can get into the teens you're lucky with that package.
Then I say no. He's a valuable asset as a energy guy off the bench. And he's efficient too. We'd be hard-pressed to draft in the late teens and find a gem like Black.
Known commodity, cheap, young, good attitude, hustles, knows his role, hard worker, can play either C or PF. You don't give that up unless you can hit a home run in a trade. I take cost controlled talent over cost controlled question marks more often than not. If you could move up enough to grab Dekker, I'd do that. But that's it as far as prospects projected between mid teens and our picks.
I'm not moving black unless it means something VERY good is coming in return. and since the latter won't happen, I hope he's here in November. having low-dollar guys who belong on an nba court is important, especially when you're trying to maximize cap space. and, as others have said, we already know he can be a backup big. nobody taken after pick 12 or so makes me say that for certain.
OH! OH! OH! That is one of the best, long youtube compilations I've seen in a "long" time (recently) LOL if that makes sense. Major props to whoever put that together! Seriously. Oh and what a treat with the audio mix fading up and down capturing the various announcers' reactions to what this baddasss player was doing out there. Instead of the semi-obligatory (crappy I'm talking, not GOOD ..... don't go there.... rap piece. Dude looks phenomenal in what they pulled out to put in there. I was vocal with the OH!s watching it. He is a whole lot more capable of a player for the future than I previously realized. The guy has agility, skills and athleticism to go with his strong build. Wow if he works as hard this summer as Randle and Clarkson to name just 2, will surely do ..... then Tarik is going to be a beast in his own way in the future. The Rockets are going to regret letting him get away. What a bunch of bruisers we can put on the floor if needed with him, Randle and Okafor in the front court in the right match ups. What also ..... an amazing performance in dire circumstances over past several years this man has turned in since Stern dropped the tactical nuke on our franchise. That clip looks like a guy that could go in the top 10 this year. And he's only going to get better. Just missed the all rookie 2nd team.
After watching that clip IMO you have to hold on to this guy. He and Clarkson have something great going as well.
My reason for trading him isn't because I dislike him. It's more of a chance at trading a player who may not give us a lot when you consider our frontcourt could be Randle/Okafor/Davis. My thought is to sell high on him and fill a position of desperate need. If we resign Davis, Black is overkill. At the same time, if all the RFAs are matched and Carroll decides to stay in Atlanta, we would be running Swaggy at sf with...Wes Johnson again?
Believe me, I'd love to give up Young as well in the scenario, but of the teams in the range we'd have to shoot for to get Justin Anderson, none of them would be interested in Young. Heck, I'm not sure if there's a team in the league interested in Young. It was just an idea. Our roster (with us essentially adding Randle and Okafor to it) is starting to become an embarrassment of riches up front, and a destitute brothel on the wings. Black is a great prospect on a cheap contract. He might be a good thing to flip for some help where we need it.
What do you guys think if you watch the video above, in comparing just rim protection and rebounding, between Davis and Black? Seems to me Davis a little taller but Black is athletic enough and much stronger to move that toward a push? After that and certainly at his contract, age and other aspects to his game that Black has more upside and long term value. Put Ed's money (that would be required to keep him) also toward 3 spot?
I like Ed, and hope we can keep him on a reasonable contract, but if I had to choose between Ed and Tarik, I would choose to keep Tarik as my backup 5.
Davis is the better shot blocker and defender for sure. Black is still developing. If I had to choose between them, it's Black because he's here already and much much cheaper.
Great compilation. I knew he was very effective in his role, but I didn't realize he could jump as high as he does in that video for some reason.
Trade Black for Nick Batuum Portand loves draft picks, needs insurance for LA leaving, give them Young, Hill, Kelly, anything other than No.2 and Randle. We re-sign Ed Davis. Open up minutes for Davis, No. 2, Randle, Batuum and gives us a SF with arms like Horry to add as a glue guy.
Not a bad idea. I'd rather give up Black plus maybe some cash, maybe a couple second rounders or even who we draft at 27 to Orlando in a s&t for Tobias Harris. Yes, we may be able to get him without giving up anything, but I'd be willing to give up Black just to nail it down.
Bring back black. (Bbb) Ed Davis will command a lot more money and tarik can basically give us the same production with a cheaper contract
