2015 Free Agent Discussion

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  1. lakerjones

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    Would LOVE to land Chandler if possible. He'd be great here.
     
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    Amare has to be one of the most successful. Jason Kidd was really successful, too.

    Stoudemire was coming off a monstrous 26/9 season when he had his microfracture. He returned to post 20/10, 25/9, 21/8, 23/9, and 25/8 across the next five seasons. And he shot better than or equal to 56% (season prior to microfracture) in three of those seasons. He was also a much better FT shooter and even went on to extend some three-point range.

    Kidd played almost a decade after his surgery, including five seasons with Dallas in which he posted 14.4 points, 9.7 assists, and shot 42-44-79 (all above his career marks).
     
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    Yeah. I don't think many people understand what a successful microfracture surgery means. A successful surgery adds 5-6 years of life to knees that were otherwise done. Falls in line with Amare, he had 5 strong seasons after surgery and then we saw his major decline. That's why insurance wouldn't cover his new contract, he was nearing the end of the new life that microfracture bought his knees.
     
  4. Savory Griddles

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    I dunno it's what I heard on the radio.
     
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    I think it's one of those situations where microfracture is possible, depending upon the arthroscopy. usually, that means it's happening, though.

    and it's probably pretty bad news. Houston manages to dodge another bullet. sun shines on that dog's a** quite a bit.

    good for parsons that he at least got a big paycheck prior to this, though. had morey not let him out of his team option, this would have occurred just prior to his first big FA trip.
     
  7. Savory Griddles

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    I read that article a while back about microfracture surgery being done. One of the alternatives is like an 18 month recovery, but its the type of tissue that naturally occurs in that area as opposed to microfracture where they are using a different kind of cartilage. If I'm him, I take the 18 months. He's so young that 5 years (which is about the shelf life of microfracture repair) puts him breaking down in his prime. I'd want him to do the long one if I was Dallas as well. He's likely missing most of next season as it is, so why not let him miss the whole thing and maybe come back in the 2016-2017 season with at close to full strength, and a chance to stay that way.
     
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    I've done little research on this so I won't pretend to know the best decision... All I was pointing at was that Dallas is likely to struggle next season as well. They're down Parsons, they used some young assets to get a guy they don't want, and Dirk is getting no younger. They're going to be an average team from here on out is my guess.

    I'd still like them to get DeAndre Jordan though.
     
  9. LaVarBallsDad

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    Cavs just announced Kevin Love had shoulder surgery told in NYC. He's out 4-to-6 months.

    Changes things for us this summer; I think Love likely opts in now...
     
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    Was the injury done to his shooting side? I really think both rondo and love aren't good fits for our young core. Both injury proned and in my opinion overrated offensively and defensively
     
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    Yahoo Sports NBA columnist Adrian Wojnarowski recently discussed some of the factors of interest surrounding Love's potential summer plans:

    When Love was pushing Minnesota for a trade a year ago, he spent a weekend in Boston trying to get a sense of the city. He hit the bars, the box seats at Fenway Park and left intrigued with the possibilities. Boston never had the parts to make a deal with Minnesota, which moved Love to Cleveland for the No. 1 overall pick in the NBA draft. The Cavaliers never would've traded Andrew Wiggins had Love offered team owner Dan Gilbert and general manager David Griffin the slightest uncertainty on his commitment to stay long-term. Cleveland wasn't trading the No. 1 overall pick – in fact, two of them counting Anthony Bennett – for a Love rental.Nevertheless, Love's commitment at an NBA-sanctioned July meeting in Las Vegas was non-binding. Around the NBA and within the Cavaliers, they understand: Love wouldn't hesitate to bail on the franchise. Love can opt-out of his contract into free agency this summer, or stay one more year and hit the market in 2016. There isn't a team in pursuit of Love who hasn't done significant research and left unconvinced that Love won't minimally explore the market this summer. That was the case before the playoffs, anyway. Before Sunday. [...]

    The best chance the Cavaliers had of re-selling Love on a Cavaliers future had been this postseason. He never knew the feeling of winning in the playoffs, nor how things could change once he started making plays in the postseason. If people started to see Love as a winning player making winning plays – not merely an individual chasing stats and endorsements – perhaps that would influence Love about how he feels about his role in that Cleveland system, about his fit in the environment.

    They won't have that chance now, leaving Love in a sort of limbo, if one that affords him a number of options.

    He can opt out and look to negotiate a long-term maximum deal with the Cavaliers, who could offer him a fifth year at higher annual raises by virtue of holding his Bird rights, meaning he can command a significantly higher total salary by staying in Cleveland than he could anywhere else. He can look to re-up with Cleveland on a shorter-term extension that would keep him in the fold alongside LeBron James and Kyrie Irving but build in an opportunity to re-enter free agency in the summer of 2016, when the influx of revenues from the league's new $24 billion broadcast rights deal hits and expands the salary cap to an unprecedented $89 million.

    If he decides he's had it in Cleveland, Love can opt out and pursue another suitor with a roster structure that would return him to the sort of primary offensive role he had in Minnesota, albeit at the expense of one fewer year (four years maximum) and smaller annual raises (4.5 percent instead of the 7.5 percent that his Bird rights holder can offer). Or, if he's OK with Cleveland for now and isn't sure exactly what he wants to do, he can decide not to opt out and play the final year of his deal for the contracted $16.7 million.

    There are plenty of options on the table for Love. Unfortunately for those of us who were hoping to see his maiden postseason voyage last a bit longer, though, now he'll have nothing but time to think about them.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/cavaliers-gm-david-griffin--kevin-love--highly-unlikely--to-return-during-playoffs-172346441.html;_ylt=A0SO80zSqEFVmgQAwcpXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzb3NtaGwzBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDVklQNTc3XzEEc2VjA3Nj
     
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    @Doc Brown, if you have a player option, and you opt into your player option, you could still be S&T, right? For instance, Love could opt into his player option be S&T to the Lakers, have Love's Bird Rights and negotiate an extension after the season, correct? If you could answer, I'd appreciate it.
     
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    6 months? Then he has to get game ready and learn his teammates and the system. I know we're not contending and might not be a playoff team this upcoming season, but we are building a foundation. I want someone that will be here for training camp, pre season, and to start the regular season. We've had enough injured stars missing substantial blocks of time. No to Love. That's just asking for trouble.
     
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    Lakers or not, i just want Cavs to get f***ed. No Love, no rings, Wiggins being a stud, take that Gilbert and Bronnie:devil:
     
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    I'll drink to that [​IMG]
     
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    So two of the top guys were going after are super injury prone. sweet.
     
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    C'mon now ..... what could go wrong? [​IMG]
     
  18. Savory Griddles

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    At some point we can't look and say, "We're so unlucky with our injuries! The basketball gods hate us." There will come a time when we have to look in the mirror and realize we traded for a 38 year old pg. We traded for a center coming off back surgery. We played a 36 year old with a million miles on his legs a ton of minutes. If we sign Rondo and Chandler, it'll just make us stupid and no one can bemoan bad luck.
     
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    Thats exactly my point. Bad decisions. I wasn't even thinking of chandler. I was thinking about love and his bad knee, wrist, back and now shoulder. BUT, the lakers
    don't exactly have a huge list to choose from at this point.
     
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