I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but how do you believe that the Ingram we have seen in past 3 seasons is going to be really good? I believe we have seen him at his max potential already when he's not injured. How much better can he be other than getting more playing time to contribute on another team? He might grow another inch or two but his game will likely stay the same. Honest question to you.
any team with injuries is bad. all our young players were injured last year. we don't have to target old vets either, there are plenty of young role players who would be willing to play alongside Bron, AD and whoever.
young "good" role players want $ not a chance at a chip n yes im not arguing we need to keep bi at all cost, i just think we selling the kid short he will be very good, players with his demanor is rare, very little show boating n just goes bout his business ala kawahi
Actually yes. Too much smoke and at the end of the day, I can't see us letting any of the kids get in the way of making the deal. But we all know how these things go. Nothing is guaranteed.
and i love that about bi, but we're not selling him short. we're literally getting the opportunity to pair the best big man in the game today with lebron AND still have the chance at a solid 3rd player. when you have the chance, the way Toronto did with Kawhi, you do it no matter the cost.
Look at the 3rd year stats of Paul george, Giannis, jimmy butler and compare them to BI. That will answer your question.
I think the reason some people prefer keeping Kuz over BI, despite the perceived talent/potential gap, is that we know who Kuz is. He's likely not an all-star, but we know that, and we know what skills he brings to the table. With Ingram, sure, he might blossom into a legit all-star, but who knows. He's maddening. Some days he looks like he could be an all-around player like KD, but other days he looks and feels like a bum, who's never going to live up to his potential. Paying him big money involves a lotta unknowns, and you don't have that with Kuz.
Thank you KH and johnnyboy. Do not understand ShaqFu's take at ALL. Peaked at 21-22. ^^^ that's the appropriate emotion for me here but I'm so pissed at him still I don't like using Magic much these days. A-hole.
My main beef with Ingram is injury. If he could just stay mostly healthy for a season I could get behind him as a franchise talent, but his injury history is a big reason making me less enthusiastic about him than Kuz.
For your affinity for youngns, LT stands for little tikes confirmed. You go for the sure thing! So f*** them kids... And I'm a huge BI fan (#BIliever). The thing about BI that makes him less likely to stick past an AD trade is his contract. When you got superstar talent, the cap game is real! Jules wasnt immune to it, DLo wasn't immune to it (potentially twice with LA and now BK), Nance wasnt immune to it and so too is BI. BI will be an RFA eligible for 27-30m, while Kuz is locked into the 2m-4m range for the next couple years. You figure out the cap game while your have space and then operate above it once you got your stars locked in. Cap rules everything around me...#CREAM
... cute I was just commenting on the whack notion IMO that BI's basically as good now as he'll ever be.
Paul George's 3rd year: 17pts 7reb 4ast 42% FG Jimmy butler's 3rd year: 13pts 5reb 2ast 40% FG Brandon Ingram's 3rd year: 18pts 5reb 3ast 49% FG
I wonder how many times Indiana and Chicago fans pulled their hair out of their heads watching PG and Butler play those seasons. It's any wonder I'm not completely bald at this point, suffering through BI's ups and downs.
First post here, I come in peace as a Lebron Stan and BI has been a prospect I was once skeptical of but now have become convinced he'll make the leap. One thing that stands out aside from the gifts and scoring mentality is his legendary work ethic. The reason why I think this is important is because after watching several videos and listening to interviews with his go-to trainer Micah Lancaster, BI's off-season training style is different than most NBA players (remember, this is the guy who helped completely transform Victor Oladipo's game before his MIP and All-Star season in 17-18 ). Usually guys will focus on one thing to basically level up one skill to round out something in their scoring package. For Josh Hart it was Playmaking and ballhandling, Lonzo basically just trained for physicality due to the injury, for Lebron it's always his jumper, and Kuzma this offseason appears to be focusing on 3&D. Lancaster was talking about how BIs approach is different because he doesn't focus on putting all his "stat-points" into one or two attributes, instead he focuses on all-around development such as shooting, handling, finishing, passing, etc. The thing with this that Lancaster was saying is that it doesn't show the immediate results that hammering away at one thing does, and that it would take BI at least another year or so just to round it all out and put it all together. Which is what we saw just before the injury, maybe his development accelerated beyond what they expected this season. Anyways, BI has all the tell-tale signs of a guy who's about to break out. I think he just needs one more off-season of all around skill development where basically the entire package crosses a threshold where he's competent in every facet as a scorer and playmaker which will greatly raise both his floor and ceiling. BI I think is developing into the type of guy that can be a go-to scorer in the playoffs and can close out games for Zion down the stretch. That's my take at least