2015 Nba Draft Discussion: Russell, Nance Jr., Brown

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  1. LTLakerFan

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    Still want to know where Frank "the Tank" comes from..... :lipssealed: .....seriously, just because it rhymes? Or maybe because he can be tenacious around the key with his skill set in getting a shot off one way or another if needed. Gasol lite?

    I'd have to do some thinking between taking WCS and him. He's a gamer. Same with Decker. Big balls.
     
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    I am fully on the Winslow train.

    I have 3 tiers for the top 5 pick...

    1st pick - Okafor or Towns
    - I was for Okafor last week, but this Karl Anthony Bynum guy is really making me reconsider. Hold a gun to my head and I say KAB as my first pick. Pre draft workouts will be my decision maker because I want to see these two go head to head.

    3rd pick - Winslow or WCS
    Both fill a need, both good prospects,
    depending on the direction the FO wants to go would decide this for me. Right now it would be Winslow.

    5th pick - Mudiay or Russell
    - This is just a best player available pick for me. I'd take Russell here because I just can't fully trust guys that go overseas. The intrigue of Mudiay is strong though.
     
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    I like winners, Kaminsky has that mental makeup, so does Dekker. Poise, skill, effort trumps "potential"
     
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    Towns can stretch the defense with his mid-range shooting and ability to step behind the arc. On defense, Towns can block shots as a help defender and one-on-one in the post, rebound and guard the perimeter for brief stretches if caught on a defensive switch. While Towns’ post game needs further development, he has added a hook shot to his repertoire.

    Each executive headed for the lottery and fans around the country would love nothing more than to watch both players go head-to-head with a national championship on the line.

    LOL, On Wisconsin!!!! All the GMs, professional and amateur internet warriors, will have to settle for a Jahlil / Frank the Tank head to head championship game matchup. After Kaminsky does away with him and is named MVP of the final 4 with a National Championship on his resume one lucky NBA team with the 5th or 6th pick will have the player everyone wanted to pick but were afraid to pass on the consensus top 5 with "potential".
     
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    I wanted a Towns/Okafor matchup :(. Kaminisky strikes me as a guy that SAS would go after; I think he'd fit in perfect within that culture.
     
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    Sorry to break it to you, but Kaminsky doesn't project to be the NBA player that Okafor and Towns do. He's a smart kid and has talent enough to play in the league, but he has none of the strength or athleticism to make a huge impact at the next level. He's not strong enough to bang in the post in the pros so he'll be relegated to mostly jump shots. He's not a great defender at the college level, so he doesn't project to be a great defender at the next level either.

    He's going to likely be a smarter version of Channing Frye. Towns and Okafor on the other hand (especially Okafor) can start on an NBA team right now.

    And I really like Frank Kaminsky. The order of picks is unquestionable though: Okafor or Towns, then Cauley-Stein, then Kaminsky. If there were only big men in the draft, those would be the first four in that order.
     
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    So how does everyone's draft board look now? Mine is:

    1. Okafor
    2. Towns
    3. Mudiay
    4. Cauley-Stein
    5. Johnson
    6. Winslow
    7. Russell
    8. Hezonja
    9. Dekker
    10. Porzingis
    11. Kaminsky
    12. Oubre
    13. Grant
    14. Turner
     
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    Atlanta's pick fell to the 16th spot because Brooklyn has been winning. I had an idea, and I don't even think it's plausible, but I'll throw it out there.

    Top 5 pick for Atlanta's 16th pick and Jeff Teague? Teague's owed 8 million over the course of the next 3 seasons, has been steadily improving year over year, and would keep us from overspending on a PG this summer. I think he's also a decent fix with Clarkson who could slide to the 2 while they play interchangeably. We grab their pick and fill another need at the wing position.

    The question becomes, why would Atlanta rip apart their team when they have the best record in the East? I don't think their coming out of the East with that lineup, Carroll and Millsap have to be paid this summer, and Horford the following year when the cap increases. Being a small-market team, they might want need for a lottery pick to add another rookie cost controlled contract to their core minus Teague. That gives them more flexibility financially to move forward; just a thought...probably a bad one, but whatever...
     
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    I actually think they might trade Teague, but they'd have to be 100% certain their German Rondo is capable of picking up the slack. I'm not sure the kid is ready.

    Also I don't think Teague is worth a Top 5 pick even if it nets us Dekker. I'd rather explore moving up the draft while keeping our pick.
     
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    Unfortunately, that pick isn't moving up that they have; if it was the 11th pick I'd be more inclined to do it for obvious reasons. Teague is a bargain for the next 2 seasons, though; 8 million dollars for his production. The trade might get a little more complex than that, but there might be a structure there we would work with...I have to think more about it.
     
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    Lets say we get a little lucky in the lottery, and jump to the 3 pick. Towns and Okafor are off the board, and Philly loves a PG. Would you trade the 3+ Houston pick for 5 and 11?
    We could get someting like Wisnlow-Kaminsky or WCS-Dekker and still have a lot of cap room.
     
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    It's still a no to me. We have other needs now besides guard. That pick could end up being our SF of the future or our C of the future. Teague would be our guard... would he be the guard we build around? Is he that much better than Clarkson? Is he worth Towns or Okafor or Winslow or Johnson or Russell?

    I pass.

    I'd rather get the 5th pick, leave with Stan Johnson or Justice Winslow and then use FA to get Greg Monroe, Lin, and Davis.

    Clarkson/Lin/Lucas
    Bryant/Brown
    Johnson/Young
    Randle/Kelly
    Monroe/Davis/Black
     
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    Yes I probably do that. Four probably goes to Russell. I leave with Cauley-Stein and Dekker. Then I probably spend money on a RFA SF still like Middelton. Then I spend the rest of the cash on veterans/returnees.

    Clarkson/Lin
    Bryant/Young/Brown
    Middleton/Dekker
    Randle/Kelly
    Cauley-Stein/Davis/Black

    Sweet young team.
     
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    Eric Pincus @EricPincus · Apr 2
    On premature: If Lakers were to draft a guard in top-5 (if), paired with Clarkson - going after a big $ pg like Dragic/Rondo far less likely

    Jordan can play the 1 or the 2, and I think that's the way the league is headed with having two interchangeable guards. When Lin is out there, Clarkson does quite well. It could be the same way with Teague, and it also keeps us from pairing another big money guard as Pincus noted in his tweets I posted. The only other way we avoid it is if we draft one, and that's fine with me. Bare in mind, it doesn't have to be Teague; he's an example.
     
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    I would do that, but I don't think that's the direction we're headed toward quite frankly. If we flip our pick, it's going to be for an impact player that helps us immediately. I believe the pressure on the FO is too win now, and if getting a high quality impact player that provides a need and helps us with our goal of contending for the PO's next year, that's what I see the FO trading the pick for, IMO. Remember, last year; we offered our #7 pick to GS for Klay...it would be something along those lines.
     
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    I respectfully disagree. Your points are valid ones, but I see a combo of Pau Gasol, Dirk, with terrific ball handling skills as well....not a Channing Fry. He will be an easy pick for a team at the 6th pick, and only time will tell how it plays out.
    I see Cauly- Stein as such a liability on offense he will find it hard to get PT...at least now. He will have to put in a lot of work to improve that part of his game. Even though I'm on the Frank the tank bandwagon I do recognize the fact that Towns and Okufor are immediate starting centers on any team that takes them. Hopefully one of them is starting with Clarkson, Randle, Bryant, and a quality FA SF next year....not a bad lineup to get this comment board talking about winning, positive future, and the growth of our young promising players.
     
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    Who was that guy Lebron thought was the best player in the draft because he won the NCAA title against Randle? The one Miami drafted because they thought it might persuade the Kang to stay. Exactly!
     
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    I actually agree with this strategy, but who can we get - thats the question. I would do that for Kawhi, Butler, Cousins type of player, but i doubt any of them will be available.
     

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