2019/20 Players' Transactions: Breaking News , Trades, Free Agents, And Rumors

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  1. therealdeal

    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes.
     
    therealdeal, Jul 5, 2018
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    Stephen A Smith is on his radio show now talking about trading for Lillard now and signing Kawhi as a free agent in 2019.

    He’s saying Lillards preference is to stay in Portland, but he’s concerned that there’s no way for that team to improve... so if he has to leave, he would prefer LA or NY.

    I think i would give up more for Lillard in trade and just wait for Leonard in free agency if this was possible. This is mainly due to Lillard being under contract for another 3 years, and he’s still healthy and coming off a All-NBA season.

    I’d do Lonzo/Ingram/Hart + Deng (to match salaries) for Lillard.

    I hate to give up 3 of the young 4 (don’t care much for Lonzo) but if this move sets up a big 3 of LeBron/Dame/Kawhi while also keeping Kuzma.... we are set to go head to head with the Warriors.
     
    SmoothOperator, Jul 5, 2018
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  3. OX1947

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    Too much.
     
    OX1947, Jul 5, 2018
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    take out hart...doubt por cares enough bout hart anyway
     
    Khmrp, Jul 5, 2018
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    Salaries don't work unless Kawhi takes less than the max.
     
    therealdeal, Jul 5, 2018
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    Lillard and Love's contracts don't really match for us and Leonard....but John Wall is one that does.
     
    JLaker17, Jul 5, 2018
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    I'm not down for Lillard at that price...I wouldn't give up THREE of our young guys for a 28 year old point guard that is basically an SG in a PG's body...

    Would rather go after Kawhi who is younger and a better overall player
     
    fabfourlakers, Jul 5, 2018
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    lilliard will make 29mill for 19' season, wall makes 37mill for 19'season n would not surprise me wall deal might have a trade kicker since its a super max deal
     
    Khmrp, Jul 5, 2018
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    The only way we get both Lillard and Kawhi on the roster is if we trade for both of them this season. Once Kawhi becomes a free agent, we'd be looking at 97 million or so between Lebron, Dame and Kawhi alone. Next years cap is estimated to be at 107 million. We'd have to GIVE Ingram away to get there. Then we'd likely be left with

    Zubac
    Lebron
    Kuzma
    Leonard
    Dame

    And all vet minimums off the bench. And whoever we sign for the room exception.
     
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    Lakere need two guys and the guys we have. We have one, need the other. They dont need 3 outside max guys.
     
    OX1947, Jul 5, 2018
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    agree. i think three maxes is overkill unless it just comes together easily. two superstars should be enough to compete for a title if the rest of the roster is competent.
     
    abeer3, Jul 5, 2018
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    I agree. I was just pointing out the financial ramifications of having Lillard and Kawhi on this roster. Personally, if we can swap Lonzo, Hart and a pick for Lillard, I do it. I realize Kawhi is a better player, but Lillard is a stud in his own right. And of our 3 young potential stars, I like Kuzma and Ingram better than Ball.
     
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    I'd try to sign Lopez and throw a minimum contract at Okafor. WHat the heck happened to that guy? How can a dude with that nice of a post game be that big of a bust? It wasn't like those moves weren't NBA moves.
     
    Savory Griddles, Jul 5, 2018
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    Right, you dont want what happened in Miami to happen here. GSW had some luck with their situation where they had Steph on a 10 mil per contract and 3/4 of their guys were also drafted by their team. Little easier to manage salaries at that point.
     
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    yeah, despite all the lillard talk, i just see no motivation for portland to move him. and he doesn't really seem eager to get out. feels like either bored media or the lakers trying to put pressure on SA to quit holding out.

    but the posturing is unnecessary, imo. just sign a center and get ready to go to camp essentially with last year's team, except you traded randle for lebron and rondo. SA's the one that really needs to be making calls.
     
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    no defense. ever. maybe he'll reconsider after a stint in turkey.
     
    abeer3, Jul 5, 2018
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    For any scenario that has Kawhi at the max next summer as a free agent, you have to consider our cap situation when you trade for another star this summer.

    Outside of dumping Deng to Portland, surprisingly a Zo/Zu deal works if you're willing to stretch Deng. Doing that gives us about 15m (considering a 3 player incomplete roster charge ie 2.5m) in available cap. Dame makes around 28m this year so after taking about 15m of that into our cap, we have roughly 13m to match in outgoing salary. All you need is Zo/Zu (9m combined + 5m to receive a max of 14m in incoming salary).

    Which leaves us with our summer '19 books looking like this:

    Bron 37.4
    Dame 29.8
    Deng stretch 7.4
    BI 7.3
    Kuz 2
    Hart 2
    Moe 2
    = 88m (about 21m in cap space with a projected 109m '19 cap)

    Kawhi's '19 projected max is 32.7m in year 1 of that max deal. So we're about 11m off.

    So taking Deng's stretch amount(7.4) along with Hart (2) and Moe (2) off our books, gets us just about there.

    So consider that Portland has a bunch of 2 year Deng like deals, so if they take on Deng in a Zo package, they would clear roughly 65m in cap space for 2020 free agency plus another 20m in the salary difference between Zo and Dame. Potentially 85m in cap space for '20 free agency...that could be the selling point since they appear to be a "middle of the pack" team as of right now.

    Dame for Zo, Moe, Hart, Zu, Deng, multiple future 1sts and pick swaps would allow us to add Dame to Bron, BI and Kuz and still offer Kawhi the max next summer.

    Also let's say we clear the deck on Dame and combine that with a Deng stretch to take in his salary. Our books look like this next summer:

    Bron 37.4
    Dame 29.8
    Deng 7.4
    = 73.6m in team salary (about 35m in cap space = enough to plug in a maxed out Kawhi)
     
    vasashi17, Jul 5, 2018
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    Love this big time
     
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    If we clear the deck in this manner, we'd have 10 cap holds. That'd be roughly 8 million in salary. Now he's having to take less.
     
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    Looks like Cousins was about to be a Laker:

     
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