Draft Thread 2018: LA Has The #25 & #47 Overall Picks... And #39 Now

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  1. therealdeal

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    They've worked out a lot of kids that could fit in the 25th slot. Jacob Evans today, Shake Milton and Landry Shamet were once considered there, Omari Spellman, Moritz Wagner, Gary Trent, Anfernee Simons, Josh Okogie, and Kevin Huerter.
     
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    So scuttlebutt from the draft workout yesterday is that Evans's shot looks awful and I agree. In Evans's interview you can see how awful his jumper looks and he didn't really attack the Laker Mentality drill aggressively either. His defensive versatility and effort make him still an NBA prospect, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him drop into the second round if he can't shoot in these drills. In college he shot 37.7% from outside for his career and was even over 41% in his sophomore year so there's some evidence he can be effective even with an ugly shot, but you have to put your best foot forward in these drills.

    Here's the interview with some shots of his jumper.



    Meanwhile Wenyen Garbriel apparently turned a lot of heads with his shooting performance in the Laker Mentality drill. He's a smooth athlete in the open floor even if he's not a high flier. Something of an interesting player, could be someone we pick with that middle 2nd round pick.
     
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    most of those guys are mocked in the second round, is my point, huerter being the primary exception (he's in everyone's first, and thus likely unavailable at 25).

    seems like they're planning on trading down or out to me.
     
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    Very likely.
     
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    Most of those guys are mocked in the 2nd now. Most of them at the time of the scheduled workouts were not. I've been tracking them all very closely. The only one who started and stayed in the 2nd of those players was Wagner.

    It's very possible we trade back and I'd be okay with that. This draft is full of role player types. Many will fall to the 2nd in favor of late risers.
     
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    If we do keep this pick, the advantage of getting a player on a rookie deal is ideal; I keep looking at KK and Hart's contract and we're in such fantastic position with them.

    If we can lock down a player of that quality on another rookie contract, we're in business.
     
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    right--the workout schedule doesn't read like they plan on picking at 25.
     
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    I disagree completely. The Lakers are one pick shy of a habit making picks in the late 1st that most project in the 2nd round. Kuzma and Nance were both considered reaches at the time. A fair amount of the players they are working out can be picked anywhere from 20-45 which fits easily within their pick range.
     
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    I'm intrigued by Gabriel. Kuz was low key a late bloomer at shooting too.
     
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    So @abeer3 posed the question about our workouts being geared toward the 2nd round which made me wonder if there was a list of workouts we've had thus far. This is the best I can find courtesy of Silver Screen and Roll. https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2018/5/8/17315330/2018-nba-draft-rumors-lakers-workout-tracker

    Keita Bates-Diop- projected mid-late 1st
    Udoka Azubuike- projected undrafted
    Jo Luol-Acuil Jr.- projected undrafted
    Caleb Martin- projected undrafted
    Rob Gray- projected undrafted
    Jalen Hudson- projected undrafted

    Mitchell Robinson (promised?)- projected mid-late 1st
    De'Anthony Melton (interview)- projected late 1st

    Devonte' Graham- projected 2nd
    Landry Shamet- projected 2nd

    Billy Preston- projected undrafted
    Tony Carr- projected 2nd
    Josh Okogie- projected late 1st/early 2nd
    Johnathan Williams- projected undrafted
    Wenyen Gabriel- projected undrafted
    Theo Pinson- projected undrafted
    Tra Holder- projected undrafted
    Nick King- projected undrafted

    Brian Bowen II- projected late 1st/early 2nd
    Kevin Hervey- projected 2nd
    Alize Johnson- projected late 2nd

    Terry Larrier- projected undrafted
    Thomas Wilder- projected undrafted
    Jared Terrell- projected undrafted

    Moritz Wagner- projected early 2nd
    LiAngelo Ball- projected undrafted
    Jaylen Adams- projected undrafted
    Thomas Welsh- projected undrafted

    Devon Hall- projected late 2nd
    Tyus Battle- projected 2nd

    Dusan Ristic- projected undrafted
    Grayson Allen- projected late 1st/early 2nd
    Kevin Huerter- projected mid-late 1st

    Allerick Freeman- projected undrafted
    Arnoldas Kulboka- projected undrafted
    Matur Maker- projected undrafted
    Bryant McIntosh- projected undrafted

    Donte DiVincenzo (interview)- projected late 1st
    Kostas Antetokounmpo- projected late 2nd
    Gary Trent Jr.- projected late 1st/early 2nd
    Omari Spellman- projecte late 1st/early 2nd
    Jevon Carter- projected early 2nd

    Elijah Bryant- projected undrafted
    Trey Kell- projected undrafted

    Shake Milton- projected 2nd
    Chimezie Metu- projected 2nd

    Anfernee Simons- projected mid-late 1st/early 2nd
    Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk- projected late 2nd
    William McDowell-White- projected undrafted
    Khadeen Carrington- projected undrafted
    William Lee- projected undrafted
    Gyorgy Goloman- projected undrafted
    Shamorie Ponds- projected undrafted
    Jordan Caroline- projected undrafted
    Drew Eubanks- projected undrafted
    Jock Landale- projected undrafted
    Daryl Macon- projected undrafted

    Allonzo Trier- projected 2nd
    Cody Martin- projected undrafted
    DJ Hogg- projected undrafted
    Lindell Wigginton- projected undrafted
    Abudushalamu Abudurexiti- projected undrafted

    Ethan Happ- went back to school (probably didn't get a guarantee)
    Sedarick Barefield- projected undrafted
    Hayden Dalton- projected undrafted
    Marcus Foster- projected undrafted
    Deng Adel- projected undrafted
    Anas Mahmoud- projected undrafted
    Jordan Barnett- projected undrafted
    Obi Enechionyia- projected undrafted
    Emmett Naar- projected undrafted
    Barry Brown Jr.- projected undrafted
    Fletcher Magee- projected undrafted
    Gabe DeVoe- projected undrafted
    Duncan Robinson- projected undrafted
    Jordan Maclaughlin- projected undrafted
    Gabe Levin- projected undrafted
    Justin Bibbins- projected undrafted
    Matt Ferrell- projected undrafted
    Zach Lofton- projected undrafted
    Justin Johnson- projected undrafted
    Daxter Miles Jr.- projected undrafted
    Tyler Nelson- projected undrafted
    Marcus Derrickson- projected undrafted

    Lonnie Walker- projected lottery (This was a secret workout. I'm shocked we even got the meeting to be honest. Walker is likely to be long gone by 25)

    We're supposed to have a new batch tomorrow so we'll likely get a look at who today. Keep in mind, that Lonnie Walker workout was secret. There's a high probability they've had even more workouts behind closed doors, not announced to us.

    As you can see though they've got:
    13 names in the 1st or very early 2nd round
    11 names in the 2nd round that'd be either perfect for our 47th or a big reach at 25
    58 names that are either very, very late 2nds or undrafted players

    I think the long list is mostly so they can try to find guys that slipped off the draft board who'd be great fits for the G-League/Summer League rosters. Guys like Billy Preston and Udoka Azubuike make a ton of sense in that regard. Zach Lofton, DJ Hogg, and Shamorie Ponds make a TON of sense as late adds and G-Leaguers.
     
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    If you post it on a forum, is it still a secret?
     
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    Secret in that LA didnt announce it. I'm sure there's some politics about it from both sides. Walker looks worse if he's working out for low 1st teams. LA loses bargaining power if teams know who they're targetting if they move up.

    Pelton threw our names out there for Doncic as well.
     
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    Just so you guys know who Lonnie Walker is in the instance we trade up for him (highly unlikely).






    Clearly, the kid is one of the most athletic kids in the draft. He's a bright kid. I think there's some legitimate questions about his drive on the court (he averaged just 11.5 points per game as a freshman). He's not particularly efficient with splits just 41.5/34.6/73.8 so there's room to grow there. He's got tremendous tools and showed flashes of talent. He might be a bit more of a project than expected, but the kind of wing teams would love to nab late in the lottery.
     
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    Wow. How's his defense?
     
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    i see him projected to phi with our pick in certain mocks lol
     
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    Has great tools but can be inconsistent. He's still a young guy.
     
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    khyrie thomas stock is falling based on draftnet mocks, could we force him at pg? his sz is exactly like mitchell, 6'3" with a 6'10" wingspan, just not sure how athletic he is but read that hes a really good defender who can shoot....we havent work him out yet?
     
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    He's maybe the best defender in the draft and even though he's shorter, he's got an amazing wingspan. He can knock down shots a spacer.

    He has very few ball skills though so no I don't think you could make him the PG. Between the two, Hart would be better suited and that's saying something since Hart is not a great PG by any stretch.

    I'd still take him. Despite his height, Khyri profiles as a guy capable of guarding 1-3 at the next level.
     
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    real's list highlights my point, i think. btw, i'm fine with it: mocks are ALL OVER THE PLACE after about 15-ish. might be better off taking three shots between picks 30 and 45 than one at 25 and one at 47.

    i'm actually getting leery of the 3 and D player given how the lakers want to play. everybody needs to be a threat to make a play if they're run off a shot, imo. if you look at the young core (zo, BI, kuz, randle, hart), all of them are a threat to make a play in that situation. thus, i wouldn't expect someone with the profile above to be our pick.
     
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    You must be some kinda spin doctor over here. :D

    There's bound to be plenty of talent after 25 in this draft, but I don't think there's any real evidence that the Lakers are planning to trade back. That list shows more that they're planning on scouring for diamonds that fall out of the draft than behind in the draft.

    As for Khyri, he's not a non-passer, he's just not a point guard. He makes the right plays and the right passes sort of like Josh Hart, but he doesn't have backup PG potential like @Khmrp asked. He had a 1.56 assist to turnover ratio for his career in college.

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    Here's a solid draft video that shows you what he brings. He can't create for himself or others which is why his name is falling in the draft, but I love his active hands defensively. Sometimes he reminds me of Artest with those hands. It's something you rarely see these days.
     
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