2019/20 Players' Transactions: Breaking News , Trades, Free Agents, And Rumors

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  1. lakerfan2

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    Also, lets not forget how the Clippers trapped Jordan in a room to convince him to stay with CP3 (gone) and Griffin (gone).

    That's probably going over so well with him right now.
     
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    vasashi17 LB's Resident Capologist

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    I love me some Jerry West! Dude can do no wrong with me....until he signed to be a consultant with the Clips. Now why would he go and do that?

    I know why he declined to come back before... It's cause he didn't want to send his protégé to the curb. That's another reason why I got much love for him, cause even with Mitch's ineptitude, he didn't want to make his pupil look bad in the process. You would think that part of it is also that the Logo had no time to be Jimbo's yes man...Which is another reason I love the Logo.

    Then once Jimmy is out, we reached out to Jerry again for team president but Jeanie preferred Magic and it was even alluded to that Jerry knew he was older and couldn't take on the President role with all the added responsibilities. So he declined and that is why he's a consultant with the Clips. He's not their team president...He's not their GM. Just a consultant.

    So why not consult with the Lakers? I figure it has alot to do with not stepping onto the scene and casting an imposing shadow on his son, Ryan West. It's kinda similar to Mitch, in that he wanted his boy to become his own man and let him figure out how to right this ship, instead of daddy coming in to save the day.

    Still, why the Clips? Cause the Dubs were a finished product, so he needed a new challenge. The Lakers are in the abyss, but he knew that the right people (ie like his son) were already in place and could get the job done. So then it was on to the next for him...What's more challenging than the Clips gig and making that cellar of a franchise relevant? And that is yet another reason why West deserves respect... Cause he won't shut away from a challenge.

    That being said...I hope he crashs and burns worse than those 70s Lakers that couldn't get past the C bags... Cause after all, it's the the f***ing Clips. How dare you tarnish your legacy in that way, JW?
     
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    data would indicate yes?

    rookie contracts end, as we're going to find out with randle quite soon. today's kuzma is tomorrow's gallinari.

    they haven't gutted it yet, and didn't griffin miss half the season or something?

    they never had a brand, even with paul. and ask boston how selling your stars has sold...

    1. nope. they're already in better position than the lakers were because they didn't simply lose all their players for nothing.
    2. jerry west has his vision to sell. it was lack of vision to sell that cost the lakers in previous FA periods. and right now, the vision appears to be: get STARZ.

    again, this has done bupkus for us for many years now.

    yeah, we'll have to agree to disagree on west's value. i'm on the "it's very f***ing high" side of the debate.
     
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    report says he wanted to come even with magic taking pres role, but magic/rob felt they didnt need him
     
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    i mean, they already had the 2018 plan, what's to improve? what does jerry have? a 2019 plan? guess what, sucka: already thought of it.
     
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    :Laugh:....."we da best at 20XX plans"
     
  7. vasashi17

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    I know of the article you're talking about, but Plascke makes alot assumptions of his own. He simply says "word is" and doesn't reference a source. So I interpreted it as more of a Plaschke blog piece.

    Either way, it's true they preferred Magic/Pelinka over JW and in terms of his health, I can understand why. I mean he chose the Clips, so dude is either a masochist or getting delusions of grandeur in his old age....Of course I say all that with all the respect in the world cause it's Jerry.
     
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    Yeah I'll take Ball over Rivers 1000/100 times and I'd love for you to find someone who disagrees besides Doc Rivers. In fact, I'm sort of shocked you're trying to argue differently. Harris and Gallinari are proven... to be okay role players. If you'd like to trade the Clipper roster for this one, I'm not even sure what we're talking about anymore with the exception of DeAndre Jordan who is reportedly also on his way out.
    Not for the next four years they don't and now you're arguing Kuzma is the next Gallinari. I don't know what to tell you if that's what you believe. Kyle Kuzma today is better than Gallinari was at 22, better than Gallinari is now, and certainly better than Gallinari was as a rookie. I know you don't believe Kuzma is Gallinari, but I think you're trying to find ways to poke holes in this argument.
    A third of the season, but DeAndre Jordan has missed just five. Your big time Clipper assets Rivers and Gallinari have missed a lot of time. Probably not a good thing for your argument either though. Overpaid role players who can't even stay on the floor? Yikes.
    Exactly they've never had a brand. Sounds really attractive to LeBron James to go to a team with no brand power. Boston is your only argument and they're obviously the exception instead of the rule, you know that. They're also still getting heat for the way they treated Isaiah Thomas, but talent trumps that. Do the Clippers have that talent? Where is their Kyrie? Where is their Tatum? Where is their Jaylen Brown? Horford signed there before the Kyrie deal and Hayward stepped into a stacked lineup. Where is the Clipper stacked lineup? DeAndre Jordan and Lou Williams? In the West I'm not impressed.

    And I know your first thought will be "oh so Lonzo and Kuzma are a more attractive situation?" No. I don't even disagree that reaching for these guys is at best a long shot, but that's actually my point: these are two long-shots and if they're two long-shots, give me the Lakers chances over the Clippers easily and without question. The Clippers have nothing and if/when they trade DeAndre Jordan away, they'll truly have nothing.
    That is ridiculous and I'm sure you know that. To measure our current positions based on that one factor doesn't even make sense. Sure the Lakers should have done things differently, but those decision makers are gone. That was years ago and the Lakers are in a great position now with different leadership. Trading Griffin was the right move, but now they're starting a rebuild. What about that is so attractive to FAs? You're harping on how the Lakers have missed in FA, well the Clippers are now where we were and they're supposed to be a better option?
    Different leadership and Jerry's plan is the exact same plan as the Lakers. What makes his plan not preposterous, but ours ridiculous and short-sighted? You don't see the hypocrisy in that statement? I love Jerry, but it's the same freaking plan. To easily dismiss our plan and yet feel his is realistic, I'm not sure I understand that.
    hell of a lot easier selling Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma than Jeremy Lin and Jordan Hill.

    Also, if our brand is weak, you already said the Clippers have no brand. How is this an advantage for them then?
    I love Jerry. This isn't a battle he's going to win and in the end, he'll do a decent job making sure the Clippers aren't the Kings. But their rebuild is just getting started.
     
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    Let me ask you guys something... With the way the Clips did Blake, do you think free agents are foaming at the mouth to get some of that Clip action? Dude was Mr. LA... Dating a Kardashian, being in movies and shooting a s*** load of commercials. Now he's in Detroit, not even half a season into his Clip extension. They did their own player of 7 years like that...So why would another teams' free agent come running here seeing that type of loyalty? Especially after we just retired 2 jerseys of a dude that gave us 20 years of service. These clips ain't loyal!

    Then let's look at the NBA union president and LaBron bestie, CP3 and how he forced his way out from the Clips and really didn't leave saying glowing reviews about that "other LA ball club". I'm sure LaBron will ignore all that and still choose the Clips if he's still LA bound.

    Do I even have to bring up DeAndre Jordan and how disingenuous this Clips franchise is?

    That Sterling stench ain't going to be easy to shed.... Whether JW is there or not.

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    I honestly didn’t expect this to end up as a t** for tat kind of thing or a back and forth. My original statements were that I wouldn’t count out West and that I hope you’re right but I’ve always been uneasy about our strategy here. Not sure how we got here.

    Anyway, outside of Jordan they now have several solid role players in Harris, Bradley, Beverly, and Lou. So while i agree we’ve got more potential, I’m not sure that team overall is as bad as we may all want it to be even without Blake.

    More that anything though, yes I’m still a big fan of West. Always will be. I think he’s proven multiple times that he is capable of putting together a solid roster. Yeah he’s old but I haven’t heard anything that makes me think he’s lost a step or is no longer capable of doing his job.

    So yeah, I do think West and cap space is something we should be concerned about.

    Guess we’ll just have to disagree on this one.
     
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    I gotcha. Maybe we’re over valuing West here but I can’t count the old guy out.
     
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    Nikola Mirotic will be dealt to New Orleans Pelicans for Omer Asik and first round draft pick,

    Damn, I wanted him for Lakers
     
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    Woj says that deal just fell apart.
     
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    I love Jerry but I can't see how he could build a better argument than the Lakers. If Jordan stays, that's his strongest argument but the quick word was he'd be shipped too. Don't forget he can opt out too this summer so he might just walk which would hurt them a lot.
     
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    i want to see rob/magic do something beneficial for this team with a trade, if no trade i dont hold to much weight on their "plan"
     
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    reports suggest nop will tradw their 18 pick (with protection) just to dump asik with no value back.... why not offer em lopez or kcp for asik/nop lotto protected 1st? sure thats another 12-14 mill cap hit (with pick) but im positive we csn move clarkson contract 4 expiring....we just stretch deng n asik...or if nop wishes, they csn take clarkson instead of the expirings
     
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    I'm lovin this. If i had twitter, facebook or any of this "fancy stuff" i would harass his a** like there's no tomorrow.
     
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    Serviceable players can be packaged with draft picks, thats where they are ahead for me. They already have a couple without trading DJ and Lou. Come summer who knows what stars are available for trade. We saw Cousins traded for Buddy Hield, Tyreke Evans, Langston Galloway, a first rounder and a second rounder. Who's to say they can't package Harris, Gallinari and 12/15 for that disgruntled star?
     
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    Well....we did put up these billboards for a certain free agent once! :Laugh:

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    Who's D12? I have no idea who you're talking about.

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