LABron James Discussion: 21st Season - Setting New Standards

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  1. sirronstuff

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    Didn't take long for new material to add to the site:

     
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    I appreciate that stance. Honestly at this point I'm preparing myself for nothing next summer. We'll probably have to pay a lot to keep Julius around and we'll pay Lopez a pretty good amount too and we'll have to bide our time until we find a way to clear cash for a FA 2-3 years from now. We'll probably win 30-40 games in that time frame and we'll have a rough go of it. That's what I'm expecting.

    I just don't like the "no LeBron no matter what" crowd. Why? If he's coming here for cash it immediately pushes us into the Top 4 in the West with just him. We may not make it out of the 2nd round, but we're going places. Our young guys are learning what it takes to compete at the highest levels. We're improving. Hate LeBron all you want, but love the Lakers.
     
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    calls the closer on the team, and bona fide NBA All Star a "kid"

    He truly will never get it. Doesn't realize how arrogant and narcissistic he is. I hope you all change your mind on wanting this douche on the Lakers.
     
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    Seriously? You'd think that was a parody from the Not-Sports Center or something:Laugh:
     
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    Barnstable Supreme Fuzzler of Lakersball.com Staff Member

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    Why did he mention Kobe as to why Kyrie left Cleveland?
     
  6. therealdeal

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    Yeah I had nothing wrong with that answer. I thought it was great.

    The Cavs new GM is named Koby Altman. Had to look it up. :D
     
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    his interview sadly went up from there. was really hoping to hate it all
     
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    I didn’t have a problem with most of what he said about Kyrie. He could have said he wishes “the man” well, but then LeBron and I are basically the same age, and to me 25 year olds are kids so I get that. The other tweet, is he incredibly high on/in love with himself? Yes, but that’s LeBron, most pro athletes are, he just says it out loud. As much as I don’t like him I prefer that style to Durant’s petty little millennial emo social media personality. Like dude, you were Finals MVP, you’re a top 2 or 3 player in the world, and apparently you think everyone hates you so you create fake accounts to argue with nobodies on twitter. That’s beyond sad.
     
  9. vasashi17

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    I'm sure we all understand that it is media day throughout the NBA and there will be plenty of soundbytes and quotes that may be taken out of context. I'm not judging anything that's quoted until I see how it was said within the context of a Q&A. If a reporter asked Labron something alluding to his game declining and he answered it within that context, then what's wrong with what LaBron said?

    In a country where "divisiveness" is the new chill, I don't understand the hate for this guy in terms of being a Laker. If you're a Cavs fan...sure. If you're a Kyrie fan...sure. If you're a Heat fan...sure. If you're any Eastern conference team fan...sure. If you're a Thunder fan..sure. Spurs fan..sure. Dubs fan...sure. If you're a Lakers fan...I don't get it! Has he taken a title away from the Lakers? Has he battled Kobe in the Finals, like Nike wanted so bad? Does he even have a "rivalry" with Kobe for that matter? I remember when 2K was my life, I would always try to trade for Sheed. Even after he was a major deterrent to us when he was on Portland. Even after he took a title away from us when he was with the Pistons. Even after he tried to do it again as a C Bag. Sheed is one of my favorite non-Laker players that I actually wanted on our team. So of course I'm not going to begin to understand the LaBron beef that some of you are trying to drive home so hard..haha.

    No personal attacks or feelings on any of you that are doing so. Not to single anyone out, but Sirron, you are LB's national treasure. I support everything you do for the site and everything you do as a Lakers fan. But.....I just don't understand the LaBron hate. I don't think its right or wrong....I just don't get it.

    Arrogance and narcissism is part of every superstar athlete's DNA, who intends to or becomes successful. I know there is a difference between a guy like Kawhi/Duncan compared to guys like LaBron...but there has to be a sense of narcissism and arrogance in a guy that makes the NBA. There's only a select few that make it to that level and you have to have some sense of self-confidence to get there. You guys want to hate him for "The Decision"...s***, I was too busy still celebrating us downing the C Bags.

    Still if some of you don't like the guy, that's your prerogative. However, it will be virtually impossible to convince me as to why you dislike him, especially when he's done nothing criminal or antics considered as family-harming douchery off the court and especially when he's done practically nothing to wrong our Lakers franchise on the court.

    For the crowd that thinks we will sell the future to have a team compete now...understand that Ingram and our 2nd pick/LonZo have not been part of any serious trade discussions during the summer where stars were flying off the shelves left and right (but mainly to the left coast). It was even reported that Jimmy and Mitch were ousted before the trade deadline to prevent them from involving Ingram or any of our future picks to acquire Boogie. Also understand there is no guarantee that this present young core can be the next superteam once the Warriors reach their expiration date. So I rather go with the more likely scenario where proven talent has proven their title worth. LaBron has had the benefit of playing in a soft league and in a soft conference, but his track record speaks for itself. He can make us title contenders and with the right talent around him, we can get title #17 and beyond right away. Lets go get it then! f*** the mentality of waiting out for the Dubs to dissipate.

    #TurnOfTheTide
     
  10. LTLakerFan

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    "Ultimately, the likely scenario is that there is a <5% chance either kid becomes as good as even 33 year old LeBron."

    With regard to Ingram and Ball that's simply negative hyperbole or LBJ worship taken to the extreme. Chances are good that Ingram in several years will be regarded "in the conversation" at least with Kawhi Leonard for similar reasons of his all around game and Ball projects to be at least a "lite" version of the impact and type of franchise altering player Magic Johnson was.
     
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    He's gold lol

    I think he's great, but I'd prefer he be great somewhere else.
     
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    When we're out of the PO picture (not long after the ASG), more people will jon the Bron wagon ;)
    Sadly, im starting to worry we'll end up with overpaid scrubs once again.
     
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    I actually don’t see a problem with the percentage given there, it’s maybe even high, and I think very highly of Ball and Ingram. LeBron is a once a generation type player, neither of those guys will be him. That said, the important part is 33 year old (or soon to be/would be when he signed here) thing, that’s the reason I’m hesitant to give out a long deal, and that’s the reason I don’t dump players like Ingram or Ball to do what LeBron wants. If LeBron were 25, 28, even going on 30, well then sure, of course, you do everything and anything.
     
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    Kawhi Leonard not even fully at the peak of his powers yet (with BI projecting similar conversation at same age 4-5 years from now) .... is < 5% of what 33 year old LBJ is now? Come on. The value of Magic "lite" on the Lakers when Zo is in his prime years .... same thing?

    :Nope:
     
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    He didn’t say they won’t be %5 the player LeBron is, he said there’s a >%5 chance either player is ever as good as LeBron. Huge difference. That is a more reasonable statement to me than saying there is a >%5 chance either player WILL be as good as LeBron one day. His statement is the more likely, going off how many players play in the nba over a generation and how many of them become the best player in the world. LeBron at 32 averaged 34/12/10 in the nba Finals, that isn’t an everyday thing, or something easily reached even at the peak of a career.

    On another note, I forgot to mention I appreciated LeBron taking the time to answer questions on politics today, and doing so for quite a while, rather than saying “today is about basketball” and not addressing it. He said what he said, and he backed it up moreso today, and I greatly respect that.
     
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    I see the distinction. Apologies to YoungThundercat.
     
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    This is a point I feel is not being taken into consideration enough as to why we don't want Labron. I don't care how indestructible Labron has been in his career, it just means it's long overdue for a serious injury, and the likelihood Increase as he ages.

    I get that people are sick of us sucking, but I worry about jeopardizing the future for a few years of playoff births but not seriously contending.

    He's either going to demand a long term contract knowing this will be his last, where he won't be worth the money in the final 3 years of the contract, or he'll continue with the one and done contracts trying to strong arm the Lakers into making the moves he wants to win now (Lakers future be damned). I'm not good with either scenario. If he was a few years younger I would have no problem with getting Labron (basketball wise. I still think he's a d***)

    I've long past accepted that he's probably coming next year, but unless he does something way out of character and take a smaller contract, we will be paying up the nose for years for a player that won't be nearly worth his pay.
     
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    Actually it's just statistics. Very few players are Kawhi Leonard or Klay Thompson let alone Magic or Kobe. It's a lottery because these kids are a crap shoot. Ingram has great character and makeup, but we'd be extraordinarily fortunate if he ended up like Iguodala let alone Kawhi.
     
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    He's getting injured this year. I spoke it into existence
     
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    No apologies needed. But, yeah, Weezy hit the nail on the head with what I was getting at. It's just insanely small odds to get an all time player. We've been fortunate enough to DRAFT 2 in 16 years. Some teams never get any, either at 21 years old or sign one at 33.

    And I did want to clarify my point about Lonzo and BI. I don't WANT to see them go at any cost. If LeBron decides to stay East and the OKC experience is gangbusters and PG and Russ stay, I'm ecstatic to watch Lonzo and BI as the leaders of the new wave for the next 10-15 years.

    But, like I said earlier, I root for small market teams (Cincinnati Reds & Bengals). They are low payroll, draft and develop, no FA type outfits. What has that gotten me?: The Reds won the World Series when I was 3, haven't won a playoff series since I was 8. Bengals we're in their last SB when I was 10 months old, haven't won a playoff game since I was 4.

    Sometimes draft and develop becomes OKC 2012 or GS 2015. Most times it becomes the Orlando Magic or the Brooklyn Nets. So I'm wary about completely shunning the idea of loading up like we always have.
     
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