2019/20 Players' Transactions: Breaking News , Trades, Free Agents, And Rumors

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    The only positive from getting D Rose .... that's one more player that turned down the Cavs...and the more these turn-downs happen, the better our chances are of landing LeBron next summer.
     
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    One thing the summer league showed us is we better be darn well prepared to give Lonzo a break and limit his minutes. The kid is 19 years old, and has never faced the rigors of an 82 game NBA season. A second unit of Rose, Clarkson, Kuzma, Nance and Zu ain't too shabby.
     
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    Rose sucks. Pass.
     
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    Kwame Brown had highlights like this.
     
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    You forgot the GOAT

     
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    I think whoever brought up the Rose vs. Kobe argument was pretty much spot on. That trial made me lose a ton of respect for Rose, just like Kobe's did. It did not however make me forget what they do on the court and of course Kobe showed years and years of remorse for it.

    The bigger question is fit really with his outside shooting being so poor and his style being more single-man-band than team oriented. Still, Rose off the bench would be pretty impressive. He had a good year last season. I would absolutely take him for our exception for one year off the bench.

    For those saying Clark is by far the better choice... why? He's not really a point guard at all. He's a better shooter than Clarkson, but that's much closer to his role than a point guard capable of creating for others consistently.
     
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    The 2 aren't comparable IMO. Kobe's was one man, one woman not a gang rape case, a lot of physical evidence came out in Kobe's favor, there wasn't really shady testimony by Kobe that made you wonder, and I don't recall Kobe taking souvenir pictures with the jurors of his case. From what I read the jury in Rose's case found the witness not credible, so for me that leaves things open. They didn't find evidence showing he didn't do anything, they just didn't believe her. The fact that they took pics with him after makes it feel very shady to me, especially after his description of the events of the night. I think Kobe made a really bad mistake, but with Rose, I don't know if he did what was alleged or not, and if we supposedly want good character guys here, he doesn't fit that from my view. What is he going to mentor Lonzo on, going to a drunk woman's house with 2 other dudes in the middle of the night? Lacking incredibly in self-awareness in a serious off court situation? That's who we want guiding the young man? Not me. Kobe case was awful, but apples and oranges.
     
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    Ian Clark is younger than Rose. Healthier. More dependable for full season availability. He is a much better 3 point shooter than Rose at 37% compared to 25%. He is not ball dominant like Rose. He is a combo guard who will fit well along side Clarkson, KCP, and Lonzo in any combination Luke chooses. He is already versed in Luke's system, and effective in it. He also has potential to stay with the team and grow with it into the future. Character difference should be pretty obvious.
     
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    Yeah Clarkson would play PG and Clark off the ball at SG .

    Imagine JC and Rose together on the 2nd unit :Kobepuking:, the tunnel vision brothers

    Rose doesn't fit a need , Clark with his 3pts shooting does , simple as that
     
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    I agree about Ian Clark.
     
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    Nate Duncan " Makes little sense , would play JC as the PG backup as much as possible to pump up his trade value for next summer to get the cap space for the 2nd max slot"
     
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    I'm not too familiar with Clark.
    I'll be honest that Rose would not totally bother me, but I see the potential downside.
    If Clark is a better 2 way guard & better 3 point shooter, then it's a no brainer.
     
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    Seems like an odd fit, and Rose would be a VERY SHORT shooting guard. (If not sold on backup minutes)

    But in a positionless lineup, it sounds intriguing to add his ability to penetrate (Save the jokes haha)

    To have an asset like that on the cheap that could be flipped to s contender at the deadline? I do it.

    But I don't see a great fit or understand why Rose would do it. But.....

    Met with Rose = 3 hours
    Met with Clark = 45 min

    [​IMG]
     
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    Does Rose mean Clark would get traded?

    Imagine signing Rose and trading Deng,Brewer,future unprotected first and second for Wade.

    Lonzo/Rose/Caruso
    KCP/Wade/Hart/Dozier
    Ingram/Kuzma
    Randle/Nance/Bryant
    Lopez/Zu
     
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    But he's not a combo guard. Ian Clark is a SG in a PG body. He's never had an assist to turnover ratio better than last year's 1.2:0.7 which isn't great and that was in the most unselfish offense in the league. Clark is a shooter and scorer, but he's miscast as a backup point guard and people would get tired of him quickly like Clarkson. He would be just the latest in a long line of guys who got paid after being a bench warmer on a good team. Rose is objectively a much better player than Clark.

    Now the character issues are real. Like I said, I lost a ton of respect for Rose in that case just based on the testimony of the young girl in question. However, he wasn't charged with anything as I recall. I'm not a fan of running train on a girl, but the evidence saying it was against her will was circumstantial and not enough to land Rose in prison which means it was consensual. Not my cup of tea, very strange, but not my call either. I agree he's not exactly the mentor I'd want for Lonzo and yes it would be difficult to root for him as a person. I just don't agree that Clark is a better fit. He may know the system in the same way Mozgov knew how to win.

    If we end up with either, I'll be fine, but Rose is objectively better than Clark.
     
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    Ian Clark has championship experience.
    :Noddingyes:
     
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    Not a good basketball move for Rose and not a good leadership move for Rose. You have a team full of stand up guys in and out of the court. You already have one more walking corpse to eventually get rid of, no need to bring in another one.
     
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    Seems like every move we make I keep questioning where Clarkson fits more and more.
     
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