Some Advanced Stats

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  1. LaVarBallsDad

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    That's about right. Thanks.
     
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  2. trodgers

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    I've been watching these numbers converge - slowly. Pythagorean has dropped only a little (started off high) and mine has increased steadily (started off low).
     
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    G (C)
    Lin 75
    Price 62
    Clarkson 55

    WING (C-)
    Kobe 84
    Young 63
    Clarkson 58
    Ellington 53
    Price 54
    Johnson 50
    Kelly 38

    BIG (B-)
    Davis 82
    Hill 82
    Boozer 72
    Sacre 63
    Johnson 60
    Kelly 46
    Randle 21

    After the W vs. Indy
     
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    Kobe's Last Four
    32.3 minutes
    17.0 points
    8.0 assists
    8.5 rebounds
    0.5 blocks
    2.3 steals
    47% FGs
    53% 3pts
    82% FTs

    And his Possession Breakdown:
    Shoot / Get Fouled
    .56 Possessions (49 FGA, 15 FTA - one a three-point shot)
    ..67 points produced

    Techs
    .1 possessions
    .2 FTA (I count these as 1/2 possession)
    ..1 points produced

    AST/TO
    .50 possessions
    ..32 AST
    ...22 2-pt shots made
    ...10 3-pt shots made
    ..18 TO
    ....74 points produced

    107 possessions
    142 points produced
    1.33 Points Per Possession
     
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    Kobe never learned to use screens because he never needed to. Like to see him get some open looks instead of just creating for everyone else all the time.
     
  6. trodgers

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    Sagarin's NBA ratings have the Lakers currently 23rd, but they have played the most difficult schedule according to his rankings. Their 16 games against top 10 teams is the most in the NBA and their 23 against top 16 teams is also the most.

    Lakers vs. top 10 Sagarin teams: 5-11
    It's not a good looking number, but it is better than all these (17) teams:
    PHI
    MIN
    NYK
    ORL
    CHA
    DET
    MIA
    UTA
    SAC
    BOS
    BKL
    IND
    DEN
    MIL
    WAS
    OKC
    NO
     
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    Interesting stuff, but rough at the same time. That pick is wavering in the distance!

    But they've been a hell of a lot more fun to watch these last couple of weeks.
     
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    G (C)
    Lin 75
    Price 64
    Clarkson 53

    WING (C-)
    Kobe 84
    Young 63
    Clarkson 57
    Price 55
    Ellington 53
    Johnson 50
    Kelly 35

    BIG (B-)
    Hill 82
    Davis 81
    Boozer 71
    Sacre 63
    Johnson 60
    Kelly 38
    Randle 21

    After Portland
     
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    0.16

    Despite being dead last in the NBA this season in Solid Screen% at 69.5, the Lakers are 7th in Set Screen Points per Chance at .16. The addition of Tarik Black gives LA an above-average space maker with a Solid Screen% of 75.8 to help create more opportunities to score off screens.


    0.092

    The Lakers foul on shots they defend more than any team in the league at .092 (NBA average = .08).

     
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    Several stats that the Lakers are very poor in and can look to improve on...

    Midrange Jumpers
    Lakers are 4th in percentage of points that come from midrange jumpers. Knicks are 1st. Unsurprisingly, both teams are near the bottom of the barrel. Lakers lead the league in pull up shots per game and are only scoring on 37.4% of them.

    Moving the Ball
    Lakers are 3rd to last in "touches per game". That's the number of times a player touches and possesses the ball. We all knew that the Lakers don't move the ball. Now, we know how bad they are relative to the rest of the league.

    Lakers are also 3rd to last in passes per game. This is somewhat similar to the touches per game stat. Somehow, despite the lack of passes per game, we manage to be 19th in assists per game. But that's kind of a superficial look at things since we're also second to last in hockey assists per game.

    Rebounding
    We're 6th to last in "% of rebounds per chance". That's basically the # of rebounds we average when there is an opportunity (aka one of our players is in the vicinity).

    Attacking the Basket
    Unfortunately, we don't have the personnel to really improve on this. Lakers are 5th to last in drives per game. We are also 6th to last in FG% on drives.

    Edit: The only player who could possibly help in this aspect is Jeremy Lin. Unfortunately, he's unreliable and sometimes plays way too passive. Kobe and Lin lead the team in drives per game at 6. They're the only two players who even attempt a decent amount. Kobe's shooting 40% on drives while Lin is shooting 50%. After these two, nobody else even really attempts any. Price does try but he sucks at it. Lol.
     
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    G (C)
    Lin 76
    Price 64
    Clarkson 55

    WING (C-)
    Kobe 83
    Young 61
    Clarkson 59
    Price 55
    Ellington 51
    Johnson 50
    Kelly 38

    BIG (B-)
    Black 109
    Davis 82
    Hill 82
    Boozer 71
    Sacre 63
    Johnson 60
    Kelly 41
    Randle 21

    After Orlando
     
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    Win Projections:
    I have LA at 27 (trending up)
    Pythagorean is 33 (trending down)
     
  13. LaVarBallsDad

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    Interesting. We'll win against Miami and after January our schedule gets much easier...unfortunately, I think we'll fall out of the top 4 in the 'tank' standings.
     
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    G (C)
    Lin 76
    Price 63
    Clarkson 55

    WING (C-)
    Kobe 83
    Young 61
    Clarkson 59
    Price 54
    Ellington 51
    Johnson 50
    Kelly 38

    BIG (B-)
    Black 100
    Hill 82
    Davis 81
    Boozer 71
    Sacre 63
    Johnson 59
    Kelly 39
    Randle 21

    After Cleveland
     
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    1st number PPG, 2nd number efficiency

    Pre Dec.1
    Houston x2 - 9th, 17th
    Phoenix x2 - 4th, 8th
    Clippers - 5th, 3rd
    GSW x2 - 1st, 1st
    Charlotte - 24th, 26th
    Memphisx2 - 14th, 11th
    New Orleans - 15th, 12th
    Spurs - 13th, 7th
    Atlanta - 7th, 4th
    Dallas - 2nd, 2nd
    Denver - 8th, 14th
    Minnesota - 20th, 23rd
    Toronto - 3rd, 6th

    Average opponent PPG rank - 8.1
    Average opponent efficiency rank - 10.1

    Post Dec. 1
    Detroit - 22nd, 22nd
    Washington - 18th, 9th
    Boston - 10th, 13th
    New Orleans - 15th, 12th
    Sacramento (X2) - 10th, 16th
    San Antonio - 13th, 7th
    Minnesota - 20th, 23rd
    Indiana - 25th, 25th
    OKC - 19th, 18th
    GSW - 1st, 1st
    Chicago - 12th, 10th
    Dallas - 2nd, 2nd
    Phoenix - 4th, 8th
    Denver - 8th, 14th
    Memphis - 14th, 11th
    Indiana - 25th, 25th
    Portland (X2) - 6th, 5th
    Orlando - 27th, 27th
    Clipper - 5th, 3rd
    Miami - 28th, 28th
    Cleveland - 17th, 19th

    Average opponent PPG rank - 13.8
    Average opponent efficiency rank - 13.1

    Playing weaker teams offensively certainly helps.
     
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    1st group: Three of those teams were East Conference
    2nd group: Nine of the last group (9 of 23) were Eastern Conference.

    Given that teams play 30 of 82 (36.6%) vs. the opposing conference, it's worth looking at what the schedule was like for these two periods; was it representative of their overall season outlook?

    1st group: 3 of 17 (17.6%) vs. East
    2nd group: 9 of 23 (39.1%) vs. East

    So the first group was skewed heavily toward the West. It was also skewed toward more difficult teams; if we remove the East Conference teams (average of 11th, 12th, respectively on those two metrics), that first group was 7.4th in points and 9.7th in offensive rating. This means that that first group was not representative of either a random sampling of teams or of what the Lakers can expect to play in a season.

    The second group was much closer to what they can expect to play and to a random sampling of teams. So while it's true what Doc suggests, I think the message is really that what we're doing now is more indicative of what we're dealing with for the remainder of the season. If we want to project the Lakers for the rest of the season, disregard the games prior to December 1st.
     
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    When did we play Toronto...it was around that time Byron switched to a more conservative defensive scheme to suit our personnel; I also think that contributes to the improvement in our defensive numbers...
     
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    G (C)
    Lin 75
    Price 63
    Clarkson 56

    WING (C-)
    Kobe 83
    Young 61
    Clarkson 60
    Price 54
    Ellington 51
    Johnson 49
    Kelly 35

    BIG (B-)
    Black 92
    Hill 82
    Davis 80
    Boozer 70
    Sacre 63
    Johnson 58
    Kelly 37
    Randle 21
     
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    that shows tarq is our best player for that game? Is that possible?
     

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