Tank Tank Or Tank Tank Tank?

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To Tank Or Not To Tank?

  1. Tank.

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  2. Don't tank.

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  3. Fine with either outcome.

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  1. Kenzo

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    Let's hope it stays that way. Would love for C Bags to slide to pick #3 :D
     
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    Worthy the shader?
     
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    Following the tournament, I don't know that anyone has helped their draft stock more than Justin Jackson. His shot has been money, his floaters are ridiculous, and his defense on some of the best players in college ball has been outstanding. He's probably a mid-teens pick now, and that team a gonna get a very nice player. I don't see a super high ceiling, but as I've heard it said about him, he has a high floor.
     
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    Losing is never okay, but damn, winning today was kinda stupid. We're now in 3rd place and Phoenix is better at tanking than we are. Less ping pong balls. A complete wasted season can end up with us losing our draft pick this year and in 2 years.

    A culture of losing sucks, but I don't think we'll be having a parade in 5 years and pointing to todays game as the big momentum swing.
     
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    Could still end in tie, no tie breaker just equal ping pong ball
     
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    Games like this where Randle, Russell, and Ingram look like cornerstones are just as important as keeping the pick. If they ended the season on a 5 game win streak putting up these numbers, their value is raised in any trade scenarios.
     
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    I agree, and if we lose the pick, we're just paying the piper, we're overdue.
     
    KareemtheGreat33, Apr 2, 2017
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    Sorry but I'm NOT a believer in tanking. We haven't really tanked any of the years so far as we know Drill Sergeant was genuinely TRYING to win and believed in his stupid rotations so blindly that it was maddening to watch Lou play 40mpg and start over D-Lo.

    I think watching a team like Phoenix actively tank is pathetic. They will not be rewarded for it either. I truly believe we will keep our pick because we're one of the few teams that are NOT actively tank. Phoenix is resting their best players. Heck they even rested Devin Booker one night. That's pathetic. Deng, Mozgov and Young are FAR from our best players. These guys are trying to win as evidenced by the last couple of weeks where we've been within striking distance in most games or refuse to get blown out.
     
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    Like it or not this league rewards losing. Until something changes we'll see situations like Phoenix. Disgusting but reality. That being said, although I hope we keep our pick, I love it when the Lakers win. Even if it does hurt our lottery chances.
     
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    Lakers won, well what the hell. They better lose the rest of the way to avoid being the circus clown of the NBA. They must stop the bleeding from the moves by the idiot leadership from the last regime.

    Losing those 2 first round picks would be a colossal mistake. They will need those picks to help find a way to unload at least one of those two sandbag contracts in Deng and Mosgov, compliments of that previously mentioned idiot.
     
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    I dont mind wins but these guys never build on wins, they could easily look like crap the next gm
     
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    It's very hard for me to be upset when we win and Russell, Randle, Ingram, and Nance all have good games. If we were playing Deng and Mosgov, and Lou were still here playing heavy minutes and we win a meaningless game, that's one thing, but when the players we want to develop are developing or at the very least helping their trade value, very hard to get mad. You can't just constantly lose on purpose, it's very difficult to do, you have to go to shameful levels like the Sixers used to and like Phoenix is "resting" a 20 year old.

    I'm happy the Lakers would rather get Ingram valuable game experience to grow rather than rest him for his knee soreness if he's good enough to go. Building a losing culture leads to maybe never getting out of a losing culture. And as I've said every other tanking season, me rooting for losses don't make them happen any more than me rooting for wins, so I root for wins. Yes, we need that pick, and hopefully we will get it and will not have to have sold our souls to do so like some other franchises. Hopefully no permanent damage is done to any of these kids and they can still turn from losers into winners.
     
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    The league makes more money when the Lakers are doing well. The new regime of Jeanie, Magic and Rob are well liked and I feel like we will be "rewarded".

    I'm also drunk so don't mind me...

    :Crazyartest::Beertoast2:
     
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    Not the smartest thing to do but och well...
     
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    Another lead blown. Can't finish.

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    :Dfunny:

    Cookie understood the gravity of this situation in the Game Time commentary. :Laugh:

    "We could win this game. Is Deng dressed?"

    "Put Metta in and let him go for the three point record"
     
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    Watching the Suns today, playing vs. no Harden...the NBA really needs to re-evaluate its money-grubbing self when teams have to use tanking as a strategy like this. Not enjoyable as a fan one bit. Not happening in other sports. They say this system is for parity and competitiveness well rewarding people for bad performance breeds bad performance. Period. In any field or endeavor it is a bad system. Allowing players to enter the draft @ 19 who clearly aren't ready for the NBA is diluting competitiveness in the NBA and the college level. Playing 82 games in twice as many days? Why? Shackling teams to bad contracts, forcing us to watch old, injured or useless players because there are no provisions, or lame provisions to offload them. That's exactly what our team is, too young and immature and old useless players on bad contracts in the biggest worldwide NBA market. Honestly it's pathetic, greedy, inept and shameful handling of the business. Adam Silver is getting pats on the back? Jerry Buss would've smacked him upside the back of his bald head. There no major-market owners standing up to the NBA and the small market owners like Dr Buss used to do. He was legendary at those owner meetings and he protected the big market teams. Makes me sad to be a fan these days.
     
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    For a long time Zach Collins was expected to stay past his Freshman year, but with Gonzaga's success, he'd be silly not to enter the draft.

    He's an interesting big man prospect. He's not super athletic, but he's athletic enough for his size. He's got a good feel for the game on both ends. He doesn't really do anything spectacular offensively, but he plays a quick game for a guy with his size. I don't know what his ceiling is, but he's a lottery pick probably.
     
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    He's "yuuuuge." Thick. Solid. Trodgers can only dream of getting his hands on him.
     
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    I'm trying to think up ways to prevent "tanking" instead of the Lottery system that is currently set in place.

    One that prevents teams from losing 6+ games in a row. Like, if you lose 6 games in a row, your lottery percentage starts to drop no matter how you place. Any games after that, it continues to drop until they win again.
     
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    I still say have a tournament style competition for the top pick. They'd have to find ways to weight it so that the 13/14th seed teams don't always get #1 picks, but that'd definitely discourage tanking. If you suck, there's no guarantee you get the #1 pick so you better figure it out.
     
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