Official Whine, Moan, Complain Thread 19/20-CLOSED "WE CHAMPS!"

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  1. alam1108

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    We must be on a slip n slide then.
     
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    Having to trade our number 2 pick isn't cause for celebration especially since I think we're going to get pennies on the dollar for him. This will be a big time L for the franchise.
     
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    On that Lou Williams quote...
     
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    If we don't keep the pick after all of this I'm going to need a mental health break from the Lakers.
     
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    Maybe we should just call up our D-League team to play and shut down the squad for the season...
     
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    This guy is a thinker. When can you start?

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    The emphasis wasn't what I caught, it was the quote itself. I'm not going to assume it's D'Angelo, I know most will. I will however say it's a concerning quote regardless of who he's talking about. He could be talking about Ingram for all I know and it's still a troubling thing to read.
     
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    how did the lakers pick up on okafor's character issues and miss russell's? or did they get worse when he got to the nba. i got killed pre-draft and immediately post-draft for voicing some concerns about his maturity (meanwhile, porzingis was and is exactly the kind of person you want to draft, personality-wise).

    there's no doubt for me that lou's referring to russell. nance, ingram, zubac are definitely in the clear. i think randle is, too, though he'd be next on my list. clarkson is playing to the limit of his abilities, and his issues aren't effort-based. the only guy with the "too cool for school" attitude is russell.

    i AM annoyed that the consistent strategy has been benching. why not get this guy a psychologist? why do we keep screwing up player development?

    and i'm calling it: this year is worse than last year. i have little hope that this team gets turned around in the next five years. russell and randle's trade values are in the crapper, and there's not a star to be seen on the whole roster. nobody's signing here (takes the sting out of moz/deng!). we're going to have to just sit and wait until WE get a towns. could be a long time.
     
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    ^winning cures all personality issues. If the Lakers were winning right now, nobody would talk about Russell or about our daily changing starting lineup and rotations.

    Russell is not a headcase per say. I think he is determined to be good at basketball. The issue is some players handle adversity well and some don't. Losing rubs people differently. I'm not saying Russell is sick of losing but being put in such a situation can be daunting and since most of the top rookies come from winning programs and have never experienced extended sucking, its tough to figure it out early.

    Also most of these guys have always dominated the game in their life. All of a sudden people are blowing past you and you struggle to get any separation etc...then flying almost daily and playing almost daily...its a different world and most rookies have no clue what its like...even if they feel "prepared", believe me they aren't.
     
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    Honestly I think I'm just done with it all. I'm about where I was with the Jeanie /Jim situation meaning it doesn't even matter to me whose more at fault anymore, change is needed.

    I've tried to be patient, rational, and even understanding of the numerous mistakes the team has made over this stretch of years. I can't anymore. This is just ridiculous. With everything we had riding on these draft picks the organization needed to do Ever it could to make sure they succeeded and I just don't believe that happened at all. Literally just last week it looked like Russell has turned the corner and now we will be lucky to trade him at all.

    And no, I'm not ignoring Russell's role in this. I wish he would have rose to the challenge here. He clearly didn't.

    But I'm more concerned about the organizations approach to rookies. I think the draft class is being overblown a bit. I think there are solid prospects but they certainly will need to work on several aspects of their game (Ball, Jackson). I have zero confidence in our ability to nurture a young player. We will need another guy like Ingram or Nance who just naturally seem to have the right attitude and approach.
     
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    Oh I agree it's concerning. Just posted that as more context to the quote.
     
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    I think the nurturing thing has its limits. The environment these kids have been in for the last three years has been chaotic. I don't blame them for their own frustrations with the place they're in. I do however blame them for the way they approach that situation. Russell has been disappointingly immature. Randle's response is better, but still not what I would like to see. His open pouting and finger pointing on the court is almost as infuriating as Russell's cold, unconcerned laziness. Clarkson, bless him, seems to be working hard, but he might as well be on a treadmill as far as development goes. Zubac and Ingram have been here the shortest period of time and seem to have the best attitudes. There's got to be a reason for that.

    The environment of our team certainly has been an issue, but with the FO settled I'm not going to take that as much of an excuse. These kids were given fair warning that they're being evaluated now to see if they're going to stick around. I understand that's a hard situation to find yourself in, but the least you can do is give your best effort. Clarkson might buy himself a ticket to stick around and Russell and Randle might find themselves out given their approach.
     
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    Randle competes as hard as he can? Are you f***ing kidding me?
    Clarkson might try, but if he has, why has he regressed as a playmaker and a defender?

    I'm very interested in what an ex-Laker who can't stick on any team in the league has to say about the mindset of our young guys. Great insight.
     
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    My observation with Randle is that the coaching staff (or at least Luke) knows how to push his buttons. No one knows how to handle Russell it seems.
     
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    I think that's fair. Randle is still my second most frustrating kid though. All that talent between he and Russell and the two of them can't screw their heads on straight long enough to string some wins together.
     
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    I thought JC came in second for you.
     
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    He's up there too. I guess it flip flops every now and then, but given Randle and Russell's natural abilities and their maddening inconsistencies, they irk me to my core. In the end, Clarkson is what he is. I roll me eyes watching him try to play point guard, but at least he's trying. Since the FO put forth the reality that every one of our kids is playing to prove themselves, he's at least put forth full effort even if he's exposed his own weaknesses by doing so.
     
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