Tank Tank Or Tank Tank Tank?

Discussion in 'Lakers Discussion' started by LaVarBallsDad, Jan 21, 2017.

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To Tank Or Not To Tank?

  1. Tank.

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  2. Don't tank.

    16 vote(s)
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  3. Fine with either outcome.

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  1. pound4pound

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    these fools forgot to park the tank last nite


    with that said, i can't really be mad...to be up 21 wit what? 4mins to go and lose? that might do some long term damage...
     
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    The last part is where I think the light needs to shine the brightest upon. He who shall not be named (Kobe) allowed his own ego to dictate a half decade of lakers basketball and the result is where we end up. Sure, I guess some horrible signings are to blame as well (but who's signing was the MOST horrible?) I guess questionable trades and moves (cough... no one wanting to play with Kobe... cough) hurt as well... but in the end, those that get the most accolades in times of feast... should equally take their limelight in times of famine.

    That said... one should have seen that the Lakers didn't have a pulse on free agents or how to navigate either picks nor free agency in the modern era. Gone was Dr. Buss, gone the allure of past greats advocating WHILE the team was doing well rather than alienating the players on the roster (which #24 definitely did as well).

    Kobe Bryant full name in roman numerals = the mark of the beast... so vilifying him is ALSO following scripture...
     
  3. sirronstuff

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  4. LaVarBallsDad

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    LaVarBallsDad - Lakers Legend -

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    Ball jammed his thumb tonight? Sucks. Hope he's healthy for the Tournament.
     
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    He'll fit right in....nobody on this team knows how to defend after getting screened
     
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    That's fine.

    If we end up at 2 or 3, he'll drop to us.
     
  8. LaVarBallsDad

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    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

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    I didn't get to watch the Arizona game, but I've read Arizona forced him to create shots for himself and he struggled with it. It's a legitimate concern. He can run sets and organize offenses, but can he go get a shot when the time comes for it? I'm not sure.

    But hey I think Russell can... just saying...
     
  10. LaVarBallsDad

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    You know I like Russell, man. I really do. As hard and as frustrated as I get w/him, he's probably the last kid I would move on this roster.

    Now, he can create shots, but he doesn't do it at an elite level. He can be good at it, but he's not a guy I would go with 2 minutes left in the game and say, 'hey, I need a hoop, go get me one.' I know those are players are rare; I know this, but I'm higher on Fultz because I think he can be that guy.

    Remember, the GS-Cleveland series last year? I know you watched it; I believe it was Game 7, where Kyrie just put Klay (who's a great defender) on skates. I see that with Fultz, personally, and I want that guy on our roster.

    Just my .002 cents. I do think Ball's passing ability is transcendent, though.
     
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    He looked to have jammed his thumb early in the game. Went out for a few minutes and came back. I'm not sure if it effected him, but his shot was definitely off.
     
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    I know that the quality of a roster matters a lot in college ball, but really good players can also make their team good at that level. I have to have at least some concern that Fultz's team is 9-22. UCLA has been good in recent years overall, but we were 15-17 last season, and 29-4 this season, and a lot of that is Ball. I think from what I have seen over many years of college ball, winning it all doesn't necessarily lead to NBA success, but players who really put a stamp on their team and lead them to the tournament with a good record does seem to.
     
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    so do you think simmons is going to be disappointing, too? not a rhetorical question.
     
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    Leaf was hobbled with his sprained ankle and had his hands full with Markkanen. Alford was taken out of the game when he could not free himself from Kadeem Allen. Trier also made Ball work on defense. Yes, he was not able to create shots for himself nor was he looking to do so. That and a sprained thumb on his non shooting hand. All in all, the Bruins were outplayed. The Wildcats were able to figure out the UCLA 3-2 zone defense.
     
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    No I think Simmons is the exception. He kinda took his college season easy to not get injured, he knew he as the top pick. I think had Simmons played all out his team would have been much better. I guess a mark in Fultz's favor is that he's playing hard and doing all he can unlike Simmons. That record though, it's a question mark for me personally on his draft resume.
     
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    I agree Simmons is the exception. His supporting cast was a dud. Simmons really had no reason to even play college ball.

    Ball was great and had a stud in Leaf. Then Alford being a Sr leader helped as well.

    But I am all for falling for Ball and really want to see him let DLo be a shooter. As much of some of you want to say all guards nowadays are combo guards, I disagree. You need true PGs to lead.
     
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    I hear you. I think Ball has some clear faults that tend to get outshone by what he's great at. It remains to be seen if those gifts will be something he can't work past. You and I agree that Fultz is the #1 pick in this draft. There's very little that Ball can do to change my mind about that. I think Fultz is good enough that we could include Russell in trade deals. He's a great prospect.

    I just happen to think that Ball complements what Russell does. I think Ball is a more natural leader and his athleticism is a good contrast to Russell. I agree Russell isn't a "go get me a bucket" guy, but he's a big shot maker. He's shown it in the past and he continues to show it when he actually takes the shots.

    Still the top two spots in my draft haven't changed: Fultz then Ball. I'd be happy with either though. Heck I'd be happy with #3 right now as either Tatum or a trade piece.
    Fultz's cast is genuinely awful. Worse even than Simmons's cast was. The knock I would have on him is choosing that garbage school and program when he was recruited by all the big names. I understand wanting to pave your own way, but it's just not a smart move to go to a crap small school unless you plan on staying 4 years.
     
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    I like Ball but despise the baggage (Dad) that he brings with him. I'd try to move the pick if we get it.
     
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    Fultz splitting that screen help is thing of beauty.
     
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