Timofey Mozgov Discussion: Shut Down For Season (66)

There was either a lack of communication/understanding between Luke and the FO prior to this sign or (most likely) Lakers didn't know Black and Zu would be serviceable players at the center position .

Throw in Julius ( Nance/T-Rob at rare times) as a small ball center and we are all banging our head against the wall for the Moz acquisition .

 

revgen bringing logic. our at-the-rim d is bad because the back line is going one on two at the basket on every other trip (hat tip to julius's snoozin' a** and dlo's lollygagging around screens).

that's me. i'm not going to get into predicting the next three years. maybe biyombo tears an acl. what he is highly unlikely to do is develop the skill level and hoop iq to function in luke's offense, which is part of why mozgov was prioritized.

he hasn't been good, but replacing him with a comparable option would do jack squat. banking the cap space to spend it on next summer's mozgov would also have been a disappointing move.

there just weren't good ways to go. the lakers needed a center--if black or zubac were the #1 options, i think it would be worse right now.

anyway, the youngsters are the leaders now, and we have two guys in the starting lineup that either don't know or can't be bothered to play smart and play hard every night. blaming some stopgap vet signings is silly to me. we're seeing what depending upon youth to help get out of the cellar entails. minny and philly are seeing it, too (ironically, someone suggested that towns would hide moz's deficiencies, but i'm guessing close observers of the wolves this year would beg to differ...).

anyway, at the time i wanted the deal to be three years instead of four. same with deng. gotta live with it now.

btw, if i'm mad at the FO about something, it's the calderon/huertas acquisitions. we desperately need a defensive player at backup guard, if only to provide luke with a disciplinary option for russell and clarkson.

 

Luke doesnt seem to agree with you then, why else is Moz min declining and we hardly ever see him in the 4th qtr?

 

How would you know if biyombo cant handle lukes system? Moz isnt exactly dominating out there. I saw plenty of easy buckets from Biyumbo screen and roll when we played Orl. And that's pretty much what is asked of Moz with the occasional jump shot. However even the stances of Moz backers cant say with a straight face that Moz will improve as a player given his age and career progression

 

107 is terrible of course having randle out there without Moz is worse, hes already a bad defender who 6 9 playing Center, im gona use your "context excuse" now......you don't need to know what luke is thinking...its called common sense or logic, if the guy isnt effective on either ends of the floor you dont get minutes, period. You know we all have varying opinions, i understand your pt that Moz isnt the sole reason for our bad D and i AGREE but at the same time he has not improved it either over what hibbert did last yr, so overall a bad signing

 

Whispers softly.....,

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Those two missed dunks and multiple mishandling of passes were pretty awful....

 

I liked the 11 rebounds and 2 blocks. The missed dunks and 4 TO's were not so nice.

 

Movgov rebounds were really big.
I was thinking about buying his white jersey.
For some reason he seemed really stiff tonight.

 

1st comment seems harmless enough ..... something tells me those next two ......

 

Or maybe there is a hidden message in the bolded words

 

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Our D hasnt improved replacing hibbert with Mozgov, context all you want theres no arguing that. You brush off my def stats early in the season in favor of your "what i see" argument" but now want me to accept these medicore stats as soon some sort of vindication. Hes a bad defender, not horrid but bad none the less. Your stat using randle without moz is so misleading, i mean how do you expect the def rating to improve playing randle as C whens he already considered a poor defender at his pf spot? Well as for Luke argument, maybe hes starting to lose faith in Moz and has finally acknowledge maybe Moz wasnt the type of player he had envisioned

 

.... the "8 millionth time" and "I guess you're too deep now to admit it" smack

 

Yes, bolded words

 

How is what I said wrong? I dont care about whats happening with the rest of the league, the point still stands, this LAKER D has NOT improved with replacement of Hibbert with Mozgov, you're just deflecting and using this increase in league offense as another way of excusing Mogoz. I did provide as team the pts allowed with Moz on and off the floor, this isn't an individual defender argument, he mans the paint and suppose to alleviate some of the pressure of the crappy peremiter defenders, which he hasn't. You're best argument here is that we paid a guy 16mill to be medicore....you can skew the stats in favor of your argument all you want, end of the day, this team is dead last in almost every statistical category in the league defensively, Moz plays a major part in that in regards to the paint fg% and the pts allowed in the paint