Presidential Election Aftermath: What Now / What Next?

And they'd be wrong.

Yes... I am making this statement as fact, and I don't care if anyone wants to disagree. Neither are admirable human beings, say nothing for president

 

Trump is our president now. What can he do to win your support? What can he do that would impress you? Do you have a specific things you want from him?

For me, I want the nation to come together. I honestly have no idea how he can do that, but that's #1 for me. #2 is term limits on Congress. #3 is a big combination of low unemployment / high workforce participation / livable wages / better education / huge decrease in the # of people living in poverty / enforcement of existing laws

 

Just caught up.

What I've seen here is a few people trying to bridge a gap and a few people unwilling to compromise. From my perspective:

1. You can try to live with Trump without supporting everything he says. I did not vote for Trump, I do not like Trump, I do not like the fact that he is now the President of the United States. That does not however mean that I cannot support individual ideas that he has run on his platform. What kind of argument is it that just because he's a jerk means he can't have a good idea? That's ridiculous. That's preposterous. There are a few things he's run on that sound like good ideas and the main one I keep coming back to is term limits on Congress. People underestimate the value that would bring to the government in terms of urgency and actually listening to the electorate.

2. The fundamental misunderstanding of people that voted for Trump is in itself racism. All these liberals that are protesting, rioting, attacking cops, attacking fellow human beings are doing literally the exact same things they trashed Trump supporters for doing. It's racist, xenophobic, profiling and it's disgusting. There's no room or reason for that. These people should be ashamed of themselves.

A large reason why Trump won was selling to the disenfranchised former manufacturing towns hope. You know who ran on that platform 8 years ago right? Those same people that elected Trump this time around elected Obama 8 years ago on more or less the same political promises. Trump promised he'd look after the middle class and Hillary promised 8 more years of Obama. Well a large portion of the country didn't want 8 more years of Obama because there's a lot of people out of work in the middle of the country. Now all those people who voted for Obama are they now racist? Are they now bigots? In 8 years they all decided to join the KKK? Or is it more likely that they're just sick of the status quo that's done them in for decades and are desperate for a change? Maybe try seeing the whole picture instead of painting everyone who voted for Trump with one brush. There are literally hundreds of thousands of people who consider themselves enlightened that are completely blind to the reason Trump won.

You don't have to support something to understand it.

3. Shouldn't the focus be on trying to build forward? I remember 8 years ago when Obama won the disenfranchised Republicans were told to get in line. Now the shoe is on the other foot and I've seen a lot of people trying to bridge the gap and reach out to the other side. I've seen some willing to cooperate and be adults about the situation. I've seen many more that are so hurt and disillusioned that they're lashing out unnecessarily and being quite as nasty as they assume Trump supporters are.

4. I blame a lot of this on the Internet and social media. Social media is dominated by liberals and liberal ideas and agendas. Expressing your views opposing those ideas is often met with a wave of criticism. Why do you think the polls looked so lopsided? I mean look at this thread. Most of the people in here who are "defending" Trump are NOT Trump supporters, they're just people who aren't as upset. Varying degrees of support for Trump just in THIS THREAD have lead to arguments between people who respect each other and who, if the situation was approached with calmer heads, would agree on a lot. BUT if you so much as say "yeah but..." about a couple Trump policies, you're again painted with that wide, profiling brush that says you're a Trump supporter and now you're not intelligent enough, you're xenophobic, you're racist, you're part of the problem, and you're supporting a man who hates women and such. Well the world isn't that black and white and to try to force it to be that way is short sided.

5. Trump is an a**hole and the few people who ARE racist and xenophobic and celebrating his win are stupid and should be brought to light. Trump is a pig, a bad person, and someone I desperately did not want to be President. So was Clinton. I wrote in on my ballot.

I wish more people wrote in. Voting for either of these political parties helps feed the two party political system that's rigged against us to the point we're voting between Trump and Clinton instead of people who actually should be President. It's not a "wasted vote". The only vote that's "wasted" is a non vote. We as Americans had a chance to make a powerful statement by popularly electing a person other than the two party representatives. We have an opportunity every 4 years to make that statement. Every two years we have an opportunity to elect third party representatives into Congress. We need to continue to be the change we want in the country.

6. Trump is an ***hole and I don't like him. I am not supporting the at times racist and moronic things he said, but standing on the other side of the fence and turning your back on him is a) exactly what Democrats were upset at Republicans about for 8 years and b) shortsided. Even the wrong person can have the occasional right idea. Be deliberate, be discriminating in your judgement, and be thoughtful in your analysis of him and more importantly of the people around you.

 

Dealing with Russia will be very difficult. Putin is a maniac. I honestly didn't know who would be best dealing with him between Clinton and Trump. Still dont.

 

I agree with a lot of this.

From the opposite side I'm sure it feels like a given that they shouldn't have to defend themselves as NOT racist especially here where so many of us have known each other for years, but the climate might just be that negative right now.

Thank you for helping provide context here in a contentious topic. We can all be civil about this even if we disagree on some things.

 

I posted this on FB, but I find it kind of remarkable; Every hurt feeling, feeling of disgust and disbelief I see from my liberal friends is exactly how I was feeling when Clinton rigged the election against Bernie. At that point, it didn't matter much to me which of them won, because either would have been a net loss.

I've already been through all the stages of grief, so now I'm so calm about this whole damn thing.

 

This 100%!!!!

In between his "Republicans are scum" jokes, Bill Maher said basically this same thing the other night. I'm actually a fan of Bill Maher. I feel like I can tell when he's joking and when he's serious and I find myself laughing at the jokes and agreeing when he's serious.

 

Tweet from Assange:

WikiLeaksVerified account‏@wikileaks


Remember how you let Obama "legalize"
Assassinating anyone
Spying on everyone
Prosecuting publishers+sources


It's all Trump's in 69 days.

Trump now has all the weapons that Obama had in the past and they let him have it!

 

Putin is a maniac who is a constant threat to attack other countries. He's been dismissive of other world leaders and is generally viewed as the edge of insanity. A lot of people fear he could try to plunge the world into WW3.

Obama/Clinton wanted to take a hardline stance because of how radical Putin has shown himself to be. Trump wants to talk to him. I'm not sure which method is better honestly.

 

Real is taking the Jedi approach. Too many others are taking the Sith approach.

 

The hypocrisy in this statement is hilarious. Episode 3 was the best of the prequels but the writing in this epic scene was still not great.