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    Savory Griddles Moderator Staff Member

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    I feel like people voting for Hillary at this point are delusional to the point of being committed. She is as corrupt a person who ever ran for office and is a legitimate sociopath.
     
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    Barnstable Supreme Fuzzler of Lakersball.com Staff Member

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    Most have just convinced themselves that Trump is literally the devil, so they would rather vote for a Demon instead.
     
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    I'm happy wikileaks exist, but they have opened themselves up for questioning since it was illegal to hack. When someone says the emails were altered, how do you legitimately dispute it? They kind of want to remain anonymous, so it's both damning and not, and the people are taking from the info what they want and ignoring what doesn't fit their personal feelings. Disappointing, unless there are arrests and convictions, but hard to see that happening if there aren't legal methods used to obtain the info.
     
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    Sadly, I trust Wiki and groups like Anonymous WAY more than our government.

    I don't believe for one second that Wiki altered the emails. When questioned during debates or by FBI, Hillary, her team, and DNC didn't say they were altered.
     
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    Barnstable Supreme Fuzzler of Lakersball.com Staff Member

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    They also never denied that the emails were real though. Probably because it would be really hard to fake the meta data, so they would just be digging themselves in an even deeper hole if they claimed the emails weren't real
     
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    Brazile is claiming they were altered. Lies!
     
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    Hillary also claimed it was all a plot by Putin to discredit her...

    because...

    I have no idea why.
     
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    Russian hackers? Podesta password was: P@ssword.

    Can't make this up.
     
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    I mean, at least he mixed in a "symbol"...granted he could have really thrown everyone for a loop and did P@ssword1.
     
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    The period at the end would have baffled most :p
     
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    Starting to come together. Today's wikileaks shows Clinton camp saying "we've gotta clean this up. She has emails from him and they don't say state.gov."

    Remember, Obama said repeatedly he did not know she had a private server.

    FBI protects her to protect him.
     
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    Savory Griddles Moderator Staff Member

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    None of it will matter. Like I said, they need video of her committing murder herself...probably of a helpless child to rule out self defense. We as a country deserve this piece of human garbage as our president. The idiots voting for her deserve it. But the good people who didn't stand up to and stop this hostile takeover of our country starting decades ago deserve it too. This didn't happen overnight. We had opportunities to cut out the cancer multiple times over the last few decades, but we let it go since it wasn't that bad; it was an incremental spread of ideas. But now it's in our lymphatic system, all our organs, even our marrow.
     
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    Agree. It's like the report yesterday that ObamaCare rates are going up. I have no pity. This is what you wanted. Now you've got it. Good luck.
     
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    Watch. Instead of turning back after this news to a free market medical system, the next move is going to be to double down and insist that we need a full federal funded medical system.
     
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    John3:16 Moderator Staff Member

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    President Obama pardoned / commuted the sentence of Chelsea Manning today. Was sentenced to 35 years. Had served 7.

    What are your thoughts? I'm really torn on this. I respect Julian Assange. I love that Snowden and Manning exposed our corrupt government. However, unlike Assange and Snowden, Chelsea Manning took an oath and betrayed his brothers- and sisters-in-arms.

    Do you think it's fair that Manning got pardoned, but Snowden didn't?

    Last but not least, if you're okay with this, but are against Russian hacking (if true), how do you justify the two?
     
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    The information Manning released was really just embarrassing information that made our government and our allies look silly.

    Edward Snowden showed that our government lied under oath (the NSA director told congress they were not spying on Americans without a warrant), and actively ignored the 4th amendment. It's one thing to release information that makes people in government look silly. It's another to show them committing perjury and ignoring their constitutional duty.
     
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    Why are they a "hostile intelligence service" ???? Are they wrong? It's not hostile to tell the truth.


    http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecu...eaks-a-non-state-hostile-intelligence-service

    CIA Director Mike Pompeo on Thursday hammered WikiLeaks, calling the organization a "non-state hostile intelligence service."

    In his first major public appearance since taking the top intelligence post in the Trump administration, Pompeo took aim at WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and former National Security Agency (NSA) contractor Edward Snowden, who leaked confidential information about NSA surveillance to news outlets before seeking refuge in Russia.

    "It's time to call out WikiLeaks for what it really is: A non-state hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors like Russia,” he said.
    Pompeo said disclosures by Assange and Snowden have done "great harm to our nation’s national security and they will continue to do so in the long term," adding that the revelations have hurt the U.S.'s relations with foreign partners.

    The Trump administration has been publicly critical of WikiLeaks since inauguration, even though President Trump staunchly backed them as a candidate.

    WikiLeaks targeted Trump’s opponent, Democrat Hillary Clinton, throughout the presidential campaign, publishing hacked emails from her campaign chairman and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) that led to damaging leaks.

    Trump declared on the campaign trail, “I love WikiLeaks.”

    On Thursday, Pompeo cited the intelligence community’s January report concluding that the GRU, Russia’s foreign military intelligence unit, used WikiLeaks to release hacked emails from the DNC to influence the presidential election.

    The report also found that Russia’s state-controlled media outlet RT actively collaborated with WikiLeaks in an influence campaign during the election.

    Pompeo called Assange "a fraud, a coward hiding behind a screen," skewering him for exposing information about democratic governments rather than authoritarian regimes.

    WikiLeaks recently published purported CIA hacking tools in a series of releases called "Vault 7." Experts have largely described the content of the releases as unsurprising, noting that WikiLeaks has exaggerated what they reveal. But the releases have nevertheless inflamed the debate over government surveillance.

    Pompeo did not comment on specifically on those releases on Thursday, but underscored the CIA's job as a foreign intelligence agency, not an organization that targets Americans.

    "We are not tapping anyone’s phone in my home town of Wichita," said Pompeo, a former Republican congressman from Kansas.


    He also accused Snowden of committing "treason" by leaking top-secret NSA files, adding that his disclosures have made it more difficult for U.S. intelligence agencies to track terrorists and given them tools to hide in "digital forests."

    “He was no whistleblower," Pompeo said.



    The bolded part -- nope, just the political opponents of whoever is in office.
     
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