Official 2016 Free Agency Thread

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  1. lakerjones

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    I truly hope we can get away with the waiting game and go after Westbrook in FA next summer. That gives us time to develop our guys further, implement a system, start winning again, and Jim Buss will step down as well since there is no chance he delivers a contending or even a playoff team by next summer. I am going to be harsh here, but honest. Jimbo's got some severe loser stink about him and if we want our best chance at finally grabbing a top tier FA he needs to be out of the building. Mitch is fine. But no more Jim. Personally I hope he just steps down as he said he would with little to do (he's still an owner after all) and we retain Mitch for at least one more year. If we clear house I think we look too disorganized. If Jim steps down it's addition by subtraction, IMO, especially in the public eye. We need to look as good as possible.

    In the meantime, if we needed to trade for Westbrook I would be willing to let Russell and Randle go at the most. No Ingram under any circumstances.
     
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    Windhorst also noted LA should give up Dlo, Ingram and Randle and MORE, he said it doesn't matter what you give up, you have to do it because its Westbrook and I truly believe IF OKC can get WB to do that extension they'll surely ask for ALL that and then some. To me he sounded like a homer of Westbrook, I like to know even within 2 years how we rebuilt the team with Westbrook @ 35 mill/yr, Mozgov @ 16, Deng @ 18, how exactly do we built the team even with the cap jumping to 104 mill possibly? If within 2 years the team is just a 1st or 2nd fodder, whats preventing WB from leaving then besides the money?
     
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    Absolutely to that bolded part. I've been a half-defender of Jim for a couple years now. I don't like the guy, but I think he gets too much blame and not enough credit compared to Mitch and Jeanie who deserve more of the former and less of the latter. However, given the way the world perceives him the narrative has become a reality. By getting rid of at least Jim, the public perception of our team goes up. That move also probably brings back guys like Magic and Kareem and some of the other 80s names as Jeanie is close with all of them. I don't want to live in the past, but having those guys around just helps validate our culture in a positive way. Magic has been promising for years he'd be around, but he hasn't been. I think if Jim is gone, Magic probably returns in some capacity.

    There's too many reasons to let Jim go and not enough reasons to keep him. Unfortunately that probably means Mitch too, but I hope not.
     
  4. LTLakerFan

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    Jeezus Windhorst can go f*** himself with something having long dirty slivers. The thought of DAR and Randle both makes me cringe. And I agree with those that say RW, great as he is has never changed his game from the balls to the wall attack mode. One severe wrong landing and he might never be the same or even worse. Game over.
     
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    I've said it at least a dozen times but I'm not trading them more than Randle/Russell/Lou of our young group. If they want more, they can go eff themselves. I'll take my chances in FA.

    So assuming we go ahead with my plan and not Windhorst's we're looking at:

    Westbrook: 17.77
    Deng: 16.8
    Mozgov: 15
    Clarkson: 11.2
    Black: 6.19
    Ingram: 5.1
    Nance Jr.: 1.21
    Huertas: 1.07
    Brown: .87
    Zubac: .70
    Cap Holds + Nick Young stretch: 3.85
    TOTAL: 79.76 million

    That'd be if it happened this summer. As you can see we'd still have over 14 million to spend. I don't know who we spend it on at this point. Maybe Brandon Bass on a 2/28 million dollar deal with the second year a team option.

    The next summer:
    Westbrook: cap hold 31*
    Deng: 17.57
    Mozgov: 15.68
    Clarkson: 12.04
    Black: 6.66 (non guaranteed)
    Ingram: 5.33
    Nance Jr: 1.26
    Huertas: cap hold 1.2?
    Brown: 1.01 (non guaranteed)
    Zubac: .87
    Cap Holds + Nick Young stretch: 3.85
    Total: 89.25 - 98.17 million depending on the guarantees in Black's and Brown's contracts as well as waiving Huertas.
    *based on an estimated 109 million dollar cap.

    That would give us anywhere between 19.75 million and 10.83 million to spend. The real problem isn't even Deng or Mozgov's contract, it's the wildly ballooned cap hold of Westbrook. If you're able though to move both Deng and Mozgov somewhere (Sixers might want at least Deng) then you have a second max slot to go after someone to put next to Westbrook.

    edit- anyone with greater cap knowledge than me feel free to correct me. :D I spent about 15 minutes on this and I could be very wrong.
     
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    Where are Chris Broussard's SAUCES!
     
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    You need to add 8mill to wb contract this yr and his contract next yr will be closer to 35mill. That is what the extension would look like, it takes russ to the absolute max for 10yr vets
     
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    Presti is one of the best gm in the league, he will not settle for anything less than the 2 main pieces dlo/ingram. When trading a star of wb lvl you try to trade him out of conference like we did with shaq unless you get an absolute monstrous deal in your favor
     
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    Focusing on The next Summer

    You can still move Clarkson's contract. You need more room? You can amnesty Deng or Mozgov. If we don't want to add any premium assets to any trade this season, so be it. Presti can go talk to Danny Ainge.
     
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    Agreed. Presti will demand a lot of assets such as young players and draft picks, which unfortunately we only have the former since our next two first rounders are owned by other teams. That means Presti will ask for most of our young players, which would reduce the chances we could resign Westbrook next offseason.

    It's best to just wait this out. Either no team will be willing to pay Presti's high price to acquire Westbrook, which will force him to lower what he's asking to a point where the Lakers could reasonably make a trade, or a team like Boston gives them multiple draft picks and young players to take the rental risk in a deal we couldn't possibly afford to match anyway.

    It's still risky though, and considering how we were burned when Dwight left us despite offering the most money, it might be best to just wait until next year and try to make sure we have the cap room to outright sign him after having a hopefully successful season under Luke.
     
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    No thank you. I do not believe for a second Westbrook will commit to anything and he will be a free agent in a year and go where he wishes. No team will trade half their team for Westbrook unless he commits. And I do not think he commits to anywhere.

    Clippers and Lakers will battle for Westbrook next year. However, Lakers will have to come out the gates quick and fast and surprise the league.
     
  13. lakerjones

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    Riley wouldn't give us Wade. We don't give them Ingram under any circumstances. Let them try to do better than Russell/Randle or Clarkson/Randle.
     
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    They can; Boston has more assets. The problem with Ainge is he is a notorious low-baller. Will Ainge have some flexbility when negotiating with a top 5 player? IDK.
     
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    Who does Boston have better than a package of Russell and Randle? That's a top 2 and top 7 draft pick and Randle is looking more like a top 3 than top 7 of that particular draft.
     
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    Isaiah Thomas (All-Star), Jaylen Brown, Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart, and like some other addtional prospects that can potentially be included in a deal.

    • 2017 — Right to swap first-rounders with the Brooklyn Nets (Kevin Garnett)
    • 2017 — Owed second-rounder from Los Angeles Clippers (Austin Rivers).
    • 2017 — Owed second-rounder from Cleveland Cavaliers (Keith Bogans).
    • 2017 — Owed second-rounder from Minnesota Timberwolves (Robin Lopez, Wesley Johnson, Brandan Wright).
    • 2017 — Owe second-rounder to Brooklyn Nets (Kevin Garnett), if in 46-60 range and Boston swaps its first-rounder swapped with Brooklyn.
    • 2018 — Owed first-rounder from Brooklyn Nets (Kevin Garnett).
    • 2018 — Owe second-rounder (top-55 protected) to Oklahoma City Thunder (Perry Jones III).
    http://www.basketballinsiders.com/boston-C Bags-team-salary/

    Boston can put together a pretty darn good deal, IMO.
     
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    they have bkn's unprotected pick next year, right? after that, they have very little, imo. bradley, crowder, smart, even isaiah thomas--these aren't blue chip assets. contenders want them on the bench, not as nba starters. none of their recent picks look to be very special, either.

    BUT: that pick has a ton of value, probably more than russell. if you view randle as a non-impact guy (like most of the league probably does right now), boston can make a competitive offer.

    in that case, i say let it go. but again, if there's bidding, i want the lakers to at least be in on it.
     
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    Yeah, I put their picks right above you.
     
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    I agree, nothing wrong with bidding but the Lakers need to strictly adhere to a limit and not exceed it, or else they risk losing young assets for a partial season rental of Westbrook which would really hurt the rebuild.
     
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    Well let them. The Lakers aren't trading the farm for Westbrook. They will either get him in the 2017 offseason or they don't.
     
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