The Official Byron Scott Coach Thread 2014-2015

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  1. Kenzo

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    The worst defensive team in NBA HISTORY... and it's all on players? No coaches fault?
     
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    To be fair, neither Barns, RealDeal, or other Scott supporters are saying that Byron doesn't bear some blame. They just believe he's getting too much of it.

    I think the criticism Byron is receiving is fair. If you have a team that isn't good enough to make the playoffs, why are you playing washed up vets over younger talent? Why such horrible offensive and defensive schemes? Why is he playing Kobe too many minutes?

    I can't think of any way to excuse Byron's decisions thus far unless we are intentionally trying to tank.
     
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    I'm neither supporting or criticizing at this point. I'm still trying to stay level. There's plenty that I think Byron can do better but I also think his circumstances have been far from ideal. The season is still very young. I'm just trying to stay patient.
     
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    I'm in the middle right now. I absolutely agree that we've seen enough of Booz to know he should go to the bench. He doesn't work well with Hill. Byron should probably have this figured out by now. But his hands are tied somewhat by Booz's veteran status. He's used to being a starter, he's playing for his next contract and the FO might have promised that he'd start if he signed here. He's got a lot at stake in remaining a starter. I'd love it if Scott sat him. But he could at least do the next best thing thing which is to play Davis more minutes, especially alongside Hill and Lin. That's the best combo we have and our best opportunity to win games.

    And of course I want Scott to limit Kobe's minutes more. We're leaning on him way too much. If this keeps up it's almost guaranteed that he will get hurt again. I don't want to see that. That was a big reason Scott is the coach - his relationship with Kobe. He started out strong with him but pretty quickly he's moved to overuse that we saw with the previous two knuckleheads. More time for Jordan Clarkson please either at the backup 1 or 2. Agreed with everyone that Price isn't giving us much of anything so far.

    I also agree with Barns and Real though that even with Phil or Pop this team most likely would not make the playoffs. They just don't have the guns to finish in the top half of the Western Conference. Even with Julius Randle and a healthy Swaggy P all year I was optimistically hoping for 45 wins and realistically that wouldn't get us in. Since those two went down and then Kelly, and then Ellington's dad, and of course Nash too . . . I mean, I've tempered any kind of expectations and scaled back to thinking maybe we'll get 25-30 wins.

    Regardless, I do want us to stay competitive in games and not get blown out. I do think that Byron deserves some blame regarding closing out on three point shooters. Somehow his defensive schemes seem to leave them open and that's just destroying our chances of staying close in some of these blow out losses. It almost killed us in the Houston game, too, but luckily they missed their open looks at the end. But I don't think that's a good strategy to anticipate them missing those down the stretch.
     
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    Scott is still trying to put a square peg in a round hole with his defensive scheme as evidenced by the ppg they give up. Having Lin,Bryant, Young, Johnson, Ellington, and Price pressuring / overplaying on the perimeter is putting Boozer, Hill, Sacre and Davis in help situations all night long. We've seen how well that's worked. D'antoni's critics complained he did not focus on D enough, Scott being one of them on TWC, but what he did was look at his roster seeing that he had no defenders to work with, and just focused on their strengths. I've noticed he's starting to use some zone with little good coming from it. I think Scott now sees he is in deep doo doo with this team much like D'antoni saw last year. The Laker FO had no intention of hiring a coach this year, they wanted D'antoni back for his final contract year to be the whipping boy but he nixed that with his demand for a two year extension. Their plans for a camouflaged tank this year did not look very attractive to coaching candidates and it played out in how long it took to replace D'antoni when they refused his demands and he resigned. Critics were appalled that he had the audacity to demand that extension after such a dismal year but he flat out said to the Laker brass to be the captain of a sinking ship again it's gonna cost you, or find another stooge to go down with the ship.
     
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    Scott reportedly called out both Boozer's and Hill's defense as questionable.
    I'm not saying Hill has been awesome, but maybe, just maybe call out Boozer and Kobe, say, before Hill?
     
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    I think he's just expecting Hill to be something he's not which is a classic rim protector. He's a pretty good source of blocks still, but he's not the natural rim protector that say Ed Davis is.

    But you're right in that Kobe has been far worse.
     
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    Average coach my a**...he's horrible. Plain and simple.
     
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    Off with his head?
     
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    Ben Rosales@brosales12 · 17m17 minutes ago
    What the hell does Byron draw up in those huddles? Are they planning tee times for their next golf outing?
     
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    This was such a terrible loss. A very winnable game that erased any good we did in the first three quarters by what happened in the 4th and o.t. Scott needed to take a stand, we will win the right way regardless of the results. Kobe needs to watch this 4th quarter back and ask himself if this is basketball he would want to see. I don't even think that I would be happy if we would win. Kobe dragging a man from back court to front court and then shooting a turnaround jump shot with no legs only to have it clank the rim. I was willing to support Kobe iso to get a victory. This is an insult to the whole team and players like Lin Davis and Ellington who have shown something. This was a lost opportunity to have a team win.
     
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    It's a good time for you to stop being a clown and running him into the ground.
     
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    ^ I posted in the WMC thread, no one scored a FG in the 4th quarter besides Kobe, except for that Wes Johnson dunk. That includes the 4 minutes Kobe wasn't in the game to start the 4th.

    There was also a 5 minute period to end the 3rd quarter when no hit a FG. Kobe setup guys for looks on several possessions back to back to back and they all missed open shots.
     
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    Quotes like these make me dislike Byron more and more. Especially the one where he says that he's bringing Kobe along slowly.
     
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    We have to keep going to a team game and implement genuine plays structure, and hope the players react. The alternative is to force exhausted Kobe iso ball, a strategy that does not work in theory or practice anymore. The rewards are easily 10-15 more wins if we can get it to work. It is very much like the growing pains the Knicks are going through right now. The difference is East vs West conferences and that it seems to be adhered to more by the Knicks. Granted the results at the moment are pretty similar but at least the Knicks have a chance to progress.

    I hate to say it but what this team needs right now is Kobe Bryant the basketball player with 19 years of NBA experience, and not the Black Mamba who will keep shooting until he dies. If this was a zombie apocalypse Kobe would get his 81 kills, but Zombie Kobe would be coming back at you to eat your team alive (yes Walking Dead tonight did just cross my mind). Mixed metaphors aside he can't play any harder or gutsier. He needs to play smarter. Scott tell him the hints are not working. This is the elephant in the room, and the elephant needs take off his shooting sleeve for at least some of the 4th quarter.
     
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    The players came out and played defense save for the 3rd quarter when both teams were hot.

    Yet, thanks to Byron, there is still no offensive structure. He probably just wrote "ISO" on the clipboard during the timeouts.

    Oh and the "3rd string center" didn't look so bad either. But we'll be seeing him and JC waving towels from the bench again as soon as Boozer returns.
     
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    ^So Sacre had a good game and that proves that he's not a 3rd stringer? I remember a few games ago Sacre was missing everything and people were laughing at him.

    3rd string
     
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    Sacre is most definitely a 3rd stringer. As for Byron i still can't see "his mark" on either defense or ofense.
     
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    That's interesting because Sacre is shooting 54FG% this season. He's only had 2 bad shooting nights so far.

    A 1-5 night against San Antonio and another 1-5 game in the first game of the season against Houston. Which one of these games are you referring to?

    The other 11 games he's played, he's shot at 50FG% or above or he didn't take a shot at all. Not bad considering that he's only averaging 11mpg for the season so far.
     
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    I'm probably remembering San Antonio.

    I would assume your point is that he's not a 3rd stringer, and I'd counter by saying you are pretty much by yourself in that belief. We've all watched him. Heck I even like him and wanted him to develop into our 2nd string center, but he hasn't shown to be that yet. He's shooting 50% or above this season? Awesome! He shot 47% last season and averaged about the same. That's what Centers do. High shooting percentages. Even third stringers because they are near the basket. What's your point? The guy is not a solution to what ails this team.
     
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