The Official Byron Scott Coach Thread 2014-2015

Serena Winters @SerenaWinters · 4h 4 hours ago
Byron Scott on his plans for Tues. (1/2): "It's just going to be a very short leash. Maybe some guys can't go 8, 9 10 minutes straight."

Serena Winters @SerenaWinters · 4h 4 hours ago
Scott (2/2): "Maybe it's 2 or 3, I don't know. But, if I see in my eyes that you're not giving that effort, then I'll just pull guys out."

 

ronnie price needs to teach him how to throw a shoe

 

I get to watch tomorrows game. Looking forward to it to evaluate it with 10% of the season gone. Hope all the dogs can play, and tomorrow is a do or die as far as if the teams is progressing or simply stuck in gear... which is fourth gear lol, while other cars are equipped with 6 speeds and seem to be able to get into their 5th-6th on a constant basis.

 

1. Sit Boozer and Wesley, start Ellington and Davis.

Lin
Ellington
Kobe
Hill
Davis

2. Nick Young will eventually play 30-35 minutes a game, limiting Wes to only less than 18 mpg. t least with Swaggy, the bench has at least one solid option of scoring with Price/Clarkson/Boozer/Sacre.

3. Stop running off ball screens for Kobe and run the pick and roll with spacing, or run the triangle with Kobe. Simple. Stop this Princeton offense BS, it doesn't work.

4. I want to hear players communicate defensively, loud enough to hear on TV. If you're not calling out screens, help, switches, or if you're ball watching leaving your shooter, you're SITTING. Simple as that.

Byron's leash has gone far enough, time to start yanking and disciplining. All I ever see on Laker instagram are posts on Free Throws. I want to see them working on defensive rotations and communication, I couldn't care less about free throws, they're not going to change.

 

I agree Lakerfan2. Would you say the princeton doesnt work, or better yet not being used because we dont have a dominant big man down low? I truly believe if we had our version of Chris Webber type PF who can post,shoot the J,pass, THATS when the magic happens and the passes find the open man eventually OR make THE direct pass to that play maker/sharp shooter.

 

The Princeton offense doesn't work because

1. Kobe - Princeton is based on a lot of motion, cutting, and screens. When the ball goes to Kobe, the movement stops. It looked okay in preseason, when Boozer was making cuts to the basket while Kobe worked the post and drew attention, but so far, it's just been the Kobe offense.

2. Personnel - We don't have shooters plain and simple. This will bring any offense to it's knees. Defense's are allowed to sag and the paint is packed. Passing and ball movement, which is the most important part of Princeton, is limited to the perimeter, and all interior passes are cut off or the ball is turned over. Sound familiar all season?

Also, we are seeing no movement from the off ball players. Again, Princeton also relies on movement, getting to open spaces, backdoor cuts. None of that is happening and just a whole lot of standing around.

3. Inside presence - Kobe is great post player, but is not known for his interior passing. The Princeton makes use of backdoor cuts which makes interior passing even more valuable. Yes, Chris Webber would have been an ideal fit, he was a very good passer in the post. Pau would've excelled well if he executed.

If you want to see the Princeton offense work to a T, that's the Spurs. Constant cutting, shooters always moving into open space, excellent ball movement, and Duncan inside who is unselfish in the post, always finding that open player down low. They may not call it Princeton, but that's the prime example of it. It may not be flashy to some, and it is very collegiate-like, takes time to set up and run, but when executed, it makes basketball minds weep with joy, because it creates some of the easiest baskets you can get. Which is why, so many teams WANT to run it, but it's not an offense you run with a new team, it's an offense you run with a team that has played together, has great chemistry, and all the right pieces.

Sadly, the best option of offense for Kobe is to get him a legitimate Number 2 option, simply put.Since he draws so much attention, to get a player who can immediately put it in the basket is ideal. (Shaq/Pau). or draw defenders away from each other so they doesn't go 1v2/3/4. And that's what works.

 

Very well put my man. So it sounds like we need personnel, personnel, anddddd.... more personnel? Perfect, ill make sure and tell Santa and Papa Mitch

 

For Kobe, yes, we/he need(s) an offensive Number 2 option Star next to him. Many people believe Carmelo wouldn't have worked, but with each other, they create havoc deciding on who to defend. That's why point guards don't typically work with a ball dominant winger, because their role becomes obsolete with these alpha scorers. Which is why I think Rondo would be wasted here. Lin works because he isn't as ball intensive to work, and smart enough to work off ball.

For the Princeton offense, there's only one thing unfortunately, no Kobe. No Durant, no Lebron for that matter. It doesn't work with those type of players. You need unselfish players. You need players with particular skills and not another. You need buy in to the system. That's why it works in college. That's why you see some breakout players in the NBA you tend to not hear about. They're usually stuck behind a coach trying to implement an offense rather than allow a dominant player to create.

 

I think a lot of it has to do with Kobe needing those darn players he doesnt mind giving the keys to. Think about it, its kind of like Kobe having a Ferrari and the rest of our players with the exception of Young, arent capable of driving it so Kobe is hesitant at times knowing that if he gives them the keys, the Ferrari might come back banged up or completely totaled lol.

 

Wouldn't you say the same thing about the Triangle versions phil ran effectively with Michael and Kobe? Both ball dominant and able to deviate from that system as they felt like it? That's what usually happens when you have elite players in any system no? Or would you just say that those teams were successful despite the Triangle because of Pippen/Shaq also being elite players? Or am I missing the mark on the differences between the elements of the Princeton and the Triangle version? I just realized every one of those sentences is a question.

 

Good choice by Byron to go with the small lineup at the end.

 

I'm happy about the win but Byron still needs coaching lessons from Phil.

 

Serena Winters @SerenaWinters · 6m 6 minutes ago
Byron Scott: "Defensively is where we won the game." (on @TWCSportsNet)

Serena Winters @SerenaWinters · 5m 5 minutes ago
Reporter suggested there were some ugly stretches tonight, Byron Scott responds: "Any win is beautiful to me!" (on TWC)

Serena Winters @SerenaWinters · 5m 5 minutes ago
Reporter suggested there were some ugly stretches tonight, Byron Scott responds: "Any win is beautiful to me!" (on TWC)

 

Lol.

In the case of Kobe, Michael, Shaq, those guys are once in a generation talent.

But actually, the triangle is actually specifically designed for elite players like these guys. Essentially, it comes down into the post, which is what the triangle is based on, and players move around to essentially give the player space and a one on one situation with options if he is trapped. Kobe, Shaq, Michael - all guys who you want going one on one with anyone. Kick out to Kerr/Horry/Fisher for that clutch 3. Coincidence? Nope, triangle.

Princeton like I said, is more a ball movement, motion offense, and requires ultimate chemistry. Again, reference the Spurs and their offense. Not one player is ever really "featured" or goes one on one unless it's Duncan/Parker/Ginobili in crunch time, but yeah, two completely different offenses.

 

Thanks for enlightening me! I gotta try to locate some x's and o's simulations of these systems to be able to more clearly see the nuances out on the court. Really appreciate your detailed breakdown.

 

I don't get any hate on Byron.

This team he's been dealt is horrible on paper. The last couple games he's basically told these guys "Play defense or ride the bench" and they've responded with two really solid defensive efforts on the road.

In all fairness, Nick Young's return definitely has helped as well.