Official 2016 Free Agency Thread

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  1. ElginTheGreat

    ElginTheGreat - Lakers MVP -

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    Also, I'd much rather us spend our energy on guys who aren't restricted.
     
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    IMO
    - if we keep the pick, go after Derozan
    - if we lose the pick, go after Barnes

    I'd still go hard at Whiteside first though.
     
    tada, May 1, 2016
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  3. therealdeal

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    I'm with you. I like Harrison Barnes a lot, really I do. I've been one of his biggest supporters on the site. He's young, athletic, and multi-talented. There's not a ton of those guys in the league. However, to me he's proven throughout the season and in the playoffs that he's not worth a max contract.

    In the playoffs he's averaging only 9.8 points, 5.5 rebounds, 1.3 assists, 0.8 steals, 0.2 blocks, 1 turnover in over 30 minutes a game. That's without Steph for a large portion of his time meaning he should have greater responsibility.

    He has one more free throw attempt than he does fouls in the playoffs.

    He's shot over 40% in just two out of six games.
    He's only 4/18 from deep (22.2%)

    I like him. I still want him. I don't want him for the max anymore.
     
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  4. therealdeal

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    We can go after both at the same time :)
     
    therealdeal, May 1, 2016
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    outside of westbrook, Durant, and LeBron, this list doesn't excite me. I certainly have my eye on westbrook for next year, but that just requires having one max at the ready....AND a team that's a lot more competitive than we've been. it's why this summer is pretty important.

    getting a solid coach in place early was definitely an early win, though.

    I'm done with the short-term deals on developing players. either you believe in them or you don't, and i'm afraid we're about to find out what happens when you have too much cap space at once, but for the lakers and league-wide.

    lots of marginal players are about to get crazy, franchise-crippling deals. and those who aren't handing those deals out will be getting nothing. the latter is the better long term play, but very unpalatable to me given the past couple of years.

    i'm hoping they've got something up their sleeves that's a bit more creative than what they've been doing. because pitching Durant/whiteside/horford and watching them go elsewhere, then scrambling for crumbs is not what I want.
     
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    his max is lower than many, and it will take that to get him out of gs (if it's even possible). I'd do it. as I mentioned above, worse players will get more this summer, imo.
     
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    Yeah. I wouldn't mind us getting him, but I can't see us offering him a max contract. Certainly not over a few of the other guys out there.

    I think he can help us but I also can see us all regretting him having a max deal a few years down the road when his production is still middle of the road and we no longer have all the cap room we have now.
     
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    Now if Mitch could pull off bringing in a trio of DeRozan, Barnes, and Whiteside I'd be a pretty happy camper even if we overpaid Barnes...
     
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    If you're not interested in Gordon Hayward, Paul Millsap, or Blake Griffin I don't know what to tell ya. :D Those are all good-to-great players that would make us immediately competitive. It's easy to say "I'm only interested in the very best players in the world" but you also admit that it's almost impossible to get those guys so... It seems like you're just impossible to please!

    That's not really what I'm advocating for. I'm advocating getting veterans on long-term, low-contract deals or high-contract, short-term deals. I don't know where you interpreted it as short-term deals on developing players. We don't really need developing players in FA as much as veterans and this was in response to the idea of going after Deng and Noah.
    I agree, but I'm less concerned that the Lakers are going to do that after hearing Mitch's exit interview. He was adamant that the Lakers will not hand out contracts that aren't at the right value. Not to mention the great contract they handed out to Lou last summer.
    Barnes' max contract is 21 million dollars. He's proven he's not worth that. If it takes that much to get him, I'd rather Golden State figure it out. I'd love to have him, but not for 21 million dollars. That's the exact type of contract you just said we shouldn't give this summer.
     
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    I don't think we would have the available cap space for that. I think it'd be more like DeRozan or Barnes, Whiteside, and maybe (hopefully) Deng on a decent long-term contract.
     
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    haha every one flip flops from game to game depending on how he plays.I'm NOT saying you specifically @Lakers2015 but I feel this is generally what happens.

    I still fully believe Barnes enough though he'd be harder to get (RFA) would be much better for us and what we're trying to build than Demar.
     
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    I love his tweets about mentoring Russ, definitely.
     
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    I had been pretty consistent about not wanting him until this game, but like I said he was very impressive. Hopefully it carries over against Miami.
     
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    I think I'd still rather have Batum.

    Now that it's confirmed we're running the GSW offense, Batum can be our Iguodala. He can defend, score, grab boards, facilitate, get steals.....he's unselfish. What more do we want?

    If there's anything I've learned from GSW it's unselfishness. I don't want guys who take 15-20 shots a game. We need players who want to play in a system.

    DeRozan isn't that guy....
     
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    In order to run Walton's space and pace offense, there will be a need for a multi faceted player who won't require considerable touches to get himself going. I see that in Batum as well. If not him, then it's Barnes. After that a mobile, defense oriented pivot-man. Maybe that can be Horford if not Whiteside.
     
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    DeRozan isn't selfish. He averaged a lil under 18 shots a game along with around 4 assists. Not bad at all for a 2 guard and a number one scoring option on a team.

    I'd be okay with Batum.

    Barnes is being vastly overrated in my opinion but could work if we bring in the right combination of players.
     
    ElginTheGreat, May 1, 2016
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    One factor to consider him is that DeRozan can be that go-to scorer in those instances when the offense bogs down. That still leaves a hole at the 3.
     
    gcclaker, May 1, 2016
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    Barnes is probably worth more than other wings like Ariza (8 mil per), for example, because he can defend AND shoot. I'd say 10-12 million is reasonable with the old CBA and 15-18 million with the new CBA. 21 million is slightly overpaying but I don't see it becoming a bad contract down the line.
     
    tada, May 1, 2016
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    No doubt DeRozan is a good player. He just likes playing with the ball in his hands.

    I'd prefer a player who was used to playing off-ball like Batum but it's not like DeRozan is a cancer. I also think we can snag Batum for a more reasonable price. DD is going to get max money.
     
    Chillbongo, May 1, 2016
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