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Discussion in 'Lakers Discussion' started by LaVarBallsDad, Apr 26, 2016.

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Who do you want to be the next Head Coach of the Lakers?

Kevin Ollie

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22.2%
Luke Walton

28 vote(s)

44.4%
Ettore Messina

19 vote(s)

30.2%
Other- (Van Gundy, Calipari, Dunleavy, etc.)

2 vote(s)

3.2%

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GT from LG: 'The more UConn I watch, the less impressed I am with Ollie on the offensive end.'

'I've watched a half of the Gonzaga game, the Cincinnati game, & the Maryland game. I can tell when something's an issue of personnel, and that's not what bothers me. There are spacing issues that I really don't like. He has a lot of pass & cut stuff, which is perfectly fine, but the cuts often end up running into potential driving lanes. And the 1-guard front with the 4-out set creates a lot of single gaps, which also reduces guard penetration. He has a couple of sets here and there that I like, but I'm a little concerned with the overall package.' More from GT.

'This is what I mean about weird 4-out spacing. Most of the time, 4-out sets have two guards up top, with the other two perimeter guys in the deep corners or (sometimes) lifted to the wings. This is strange, and a frequent Ollie look from what I've seen'

'D'Antoni would utilize the (IMO, correct) 2 slots, 2 corners spacing rather than this.

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This is another thing that I saw a lot of with Ollie that I didn't like. #4 should be able to have the opportunity to turn the corner on the PnR (especially against a big, slow guy who's hard hedging) without running into his teammate. In this case it's #32, and #4 never has a chance on this play, which ends with an iso, mid-range pull-up.

This sort of thing happened all of the time under Byron and it drove me nuts.

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By the way, some at LG had an excellent suggestion: Blatt as an assistant. Another assistant that I want to look at: Mike Longabardi.

From Woj regarding Longabardi

'Longabardi was the defensive coordinator on Doc Rivers' Boston staff when the C Bags had the NBA's top-ranked defense in 2011-12. He started his college coaching career under Charlotte's Steve Clifford and his NBA career under Houston's Jeff Van Gundy.'

You'll look at a hypothetical staff as something like this: Luke Walton or Kevin Ollie, David Blatt, Mike Longabardi and Larry Lewis; I'd probably keep Mark Madsen. Boom!

Edit: Longabardi by the Cavs. Didn't know that. But something like the staff I outlined would be perfect, IMO.

Other assistant I'd be targeting: J.B. Bickerstaff, Nate Tibbetts (Portland Coaching staff), and possibly Brian Shaw (Indiana Coaching staff).

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Messina is my #1 but I wouldn't mind Luke. Don't want Ollie. I'm sure Ollie would be decent, but from what I'm hearing he runs a lot of ball screens and his Conn teams have spacing issues. That sounds like a lot of the problems we've had recently. Blatt is interesting but his history with LeBron/Cleveland makes me want someone with a more fresh slate.

Some tidbits I found on Messina's philosophy via Reddit. TELL ME THIS DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE OFFENSE YOU WANT TO RUN:

OFFENSE:

Interview from euroleague.net

http://www.euroleague.net/features/fanmail/euroleague-2013-14/i/134222/ettore-messina-cska-moscow

Coach Messina, what is your personal preference between set plays and generic motion offenses? Here in America it seems that a lot of coaches have been leaving behind the idea of set plays in preference of providing their athletic guards more creativity with a motion offense. I was just curious what your preference was and why. Travis Nyce, USA

"I don't have a preference for set plays or motion offense because I think that the most important thing is to have balance in your offense: ball movement, players movement and balance in the sense to have the ball reversal or to play inside/outside; throw the ball inside to the low post and then throw it out to get good shots. So, I think that you can get and you must get these four things in whatever kind of offense you run, depending on the players that you have."

The following excerpt is all from http://bmsi.ru/doc/f0fc952d-7d16-48ba-add3-dca393d2322f

The offensive system we adopted last year can sometimes appear complicated for our players, because it demands mental attention and a good mastery of individual offensive fundamentals. In this article, we’d like to examine the guidelines of this particular offensive system.

For starters, we don’t think that our offensive system is all that original. What makes it different are not the plays, but how the players apply the various ideas that are behind each play.

Our coaching staff spends a lot of time trying to figure out how we can utilize the best characteristics of our players on offense. This is a long process and sometimes we can’t find an exact role for each of our players right away. We strongly believe that, beyond the offensive choices, we have to take care of the players’ improvement, putting them into the best conditions to be dangerous on offense: we want to be effective using the players’ skills.

The general idea of the CSKA offensive system that eventually led us to our system of play was the conviction that it is certainly not the set play or playing free that makes the difference in a game. Rather, is was the ability of our players to understand what the defense was doing and to always be conscious of any changes that they were making. Our players must be able to read the defensive behavior of their opponents. Any offense can be original, but if the player on offense is not able to understand what the defense does, he loses effectiveness and our offense slows down. The strength of our offense depends on the options that the players have at their disposal after reading (and attacking) the defense. This special knowledge takes a while to be completely understood by our players.

TRANSITION OFFENSE IMPORTANCE:

We make great use of offensive transition, the changing phase from defense to offense. These are not simple phases of a primary and secondary fastbreak, but an offense that is run full court with no interruptions. Our team has to move like a wave, where our players run at medium-high speed, occupying our offensive spots and trying to get any advantage they can before the defense is set.

At least 80% of the teams in Europe play transition pick-and-roll, and we did too, especially when we had Theo Papaloukas as a point guard. He was so good, not only at finding easy shots or for his ability to get fouled, but because he could find free teammates for the open shot.

The main goal of the offensive transition is not to try for a shot on the first option, but to attack before the defense has a chance to set up, making sure to get the ball moving around.

Playing in transition is the distinguishing mark of a team that plays the more interesting basketball to watch, but to play in this way it is necessary for players to understand basketball fundamentals and to have an extreme awareness of the rhythm of the game. To control this kind of situation, especially when we play away from home, we play in transition. Our first goal is to give the ball to the center after penetrating inside the defense. In this way, we create a situation where the defense must react and where we now have a precise rhythm for our offense after the ball has gone inside.

IMPORTANCE OF PLAYING THROUGH THE LOW POST:

With the ball in the low post, teammates typically stop and see what happens. This short moment of pause determines the correct timing of the action next to come. We carefully took the statistic of how many times we bring the ball into the heart of the defense (diagr. 2), either with a pass or a dribble penetration.

For our offensive rhythm, it is critical that the ball find its way to our inside player. Playing the ball only on the perimeter creates a lot of difficulties for our offense and, as a result, it becomes harder to win games. On the other hand, getting the ball inside gives us balance and allows us to attack the heart of the defense, where we know that the opposing teams have a defensive organization ready to counteract. Therefore, we must be ready to play against this reaction in order to take an advantage and get an uncontested shot at the basket.

Over the years, we realized that we must aim to have at least 20 shots coming from these low-post situations. Moreover, in the initial phases of the games where the referees are very demanding, our powerful inside game causes many of the opposing big men to get into early foul trouble. This limits their time on the court and we look to take advantage of that. Losing a defensive big man or two early in the game frees us to make more penetrations to the basket.

MAXIMIZING SHOT OPPORTUNITIES:

Another goal of our offense is to attack their best scorers. We want that their best scorer working hard on defense to therefore limit him and put him in possible penalty situations. By getting this player in foul trouble, we gain another advantage while the opposition loses one.

In short, our offensive aim is not just to take a shot, but to find various ways to produce even more shots. We don’t want to take a shot that the defense wants us to take. Rather, we want to take advantage of our offense, keep the players moving on the court, and increase scoring opportunities with several passes.

PASSING:

In our practice sessions, we stress the great importance of being able to pass and receive the ball. This has always been our job. When we were at Virtus Bologna (Italy), with Ginobili and Jaric, we worked a lot on passing: When and how to pass the ball was a primary goal and we quickly saw that it helped improve our game. We worked on passing into the center playing in the low post. We taught our players how to get the ball in that delicate situation, and how to reverse the ball side. Getting back to what we were saying at the beginning, the play itself is not the important thing. Rather, it’s how players react to the defense and make use of the fundamentals at particular parts of the game.

Players must understand what needs to be done after the defense gets to work. They need to know what happens when the center is double teamed, how to move off the pick-and-roll, and how to position themselves in order to attack the weak points of their opponents. This is not an immediate process, but something that is built gradually as the young players learn the game. They must come to learn that at every ball possession,we must produce something, whether it be through a series of well-executed passes, or by reading a mismatch on the court and quickly exploiting it.
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Someone requested a new thread for this so here ya go! Go ahead and post news to this thread now. I'll lock up the older thread and now the Byron thread can revert back to just being about Byron again! Hooray!... right?

Here's some updates on the top candidates:

Luke Walton-
Jim Buss is partial to Luke Walton.
John Sally says Walton may look to great assistant Brian Shaw.

Ettore Messina-
Messina is among the top candidates.

Kevin Ollie-
Ollie is "intrigued" by the Lakers job.
Ollie would want some input on player personnel.

Jeff Van Gundy-
The Lakers have reached out to Van Gundy.

The Lakers are looking for a "Recruiter" in their next coach.

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I'm trying to figure out how to post all of @RandleROFY 's great content over here without just copying and pasting. I'll get back to you guys.

Maybe @thkthebest or @Barnstable knows better how to merge threads and/or posts.

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So I voted for Ollie lol...Thanks Real

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No problem. I haven't locked the other thread yet though because I want to make sure we don't lose the great content you guys have been posting at the end of that thread. I also don't want to just take credit for it or something since it's not my material.

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Good reads on Messina.

https://www.reddit.com/r/lakers/comments/4gfor0/ettore_messina_coaching_profile/

https://www.reddit.com/r/NYKnicks/comments/4bi9la/possible_head_coach_profile_ettore_messina/

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therealdeal said: ↑

No problem. I haven't locked the other thread yet though because I want to make sure we don't lose the great content you guys have been posting at the end of that thread. I also don't want to just take credit for it or something since it's not my material.
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Don't lock the other thread .... we put up with his **** for 2 years. Let's keep our Boron around for payback awhile. Think of the countless hours sirron spent in the wee hours of the morning working on the Boron collection.

Edit: Ooops I think you were referring to closing this thread:

http://lakersball.com/threads/what-...oaches-and-new-options-to-replace-byron.1318/

Just keep ole Boron around in LD to kick around when we're ticked about anything Lakers related or world related for that matter.

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I'm still leaning towards Walton. Not necessarily because he's the better coach, but he may be the coach who can survive the mess going on in the FO. Jeanie, Jim, Mitch, and Phil all like him, so I don't see him being a pawn in the political game. If we can bring in capable assistants like JVG (defense) and Messina (offense) for support, I'll be happy.

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That would be great but I doubt JVG leaves his cush TV job to be an assistant and Ettore is being groomed to take over in San Antonio why would he come here now to assist a young coach like Luke?

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1) This is an opportunity for JVG to coach again and without having to deal with politics like a head coach has to do. He's seen what politics can do to his brother in Orlando and his friend Thibodeau in Chicago.

2) Messina is coaching a team that is already established. Coaching kids and helping them grow is a "meatier" role for a coach to take on. Also, the Lakers may pay him more than the Spurs are.

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Its tough......

One hand I like Luke because he's younger and can relate a little bit more to the younger players. Great background with Phil and Steve (Pop) basketball philosophy. But would getting Luke pave the way for Phil to comeback??

On the other hand I like Messina because he's got the experience and knowledge which is greater than Luke's at this time, but can he relate to our players which is becoming more and more important in today's NBA.

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revgen said: ↑

1) This is an opportunity for JVG to coach again and without having to deal with politics like a head coach has to do. He's seen what politics can do to his brother in Orlando and his friend Thibodeau in Chicago.

2) Messina is coaching a team that is already established. Coaching kids and helping them grow is a "meatier" role for a coach to take on. Also, the Lakers may pay him more than the Spurs are.
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Didn't realize Jeff was getting the Jones to coach again that much even if as an assistant. And yes what you say with Ettore makes a lot of sense if the Lakers ponied up to pay him more. Hell yeah those two guys on the bench and Let's Roll!! Shaw I guess as well in the mix if one of JVG or Messina didn't materialize, just so it's not for some strict "Triangle" approach with Phil coming back plan. Doubt they would pay for all 3 as assistants and what they would want plus the big buck leverage Luke has if they really want him. You've got me really excited here.

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Battle Tested20 said: ↑

Its tough......

One hand I like Luke because he's younger and can relate a little bit more to the younger players. Great background with Phil and Steve (Pop) basketball philosophy. But would getting Luke pave the way for Phil to comeback??

On the other hand I like Messina because he's got the experience and knowledge which is greater than Luke's at this time, but can he relate to our players which is becoming more and more important in today's NBA.
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IMO, If Jeanie is going to bring Phil back, she's going to bring him back regardless of who is already coaching.

It's better to have a coach who can withstand any possible political upheaval. Preserve as much sanity as possible. Hope for the best.

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