Official 2016 Free Agency Thread

Discussion in 'Lakers Discussion' started by LaVarBallsDad, Nov 16, 2015.

  1. LaVarBallsDad

    LaVarBallsDad - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    16,172
    Likes Received:
    31,056
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
  2. LTLakerFan

    LTLakerFan - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    36,816
    Likes Received:
    61,168
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    So Cal
    Online
    Do it Mitch. All of them ..... wait no... screw LeBron. Get 3 good players instead for his money to go with Durant and Whiteside with Westbrook in next year. And fire Boron the a-hole.

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  3. Exonyte

    Exonyte - Rookie -

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2014
    Messages:
    293
    Likes Received:
    617
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Offline
    Fans are so delusional when they post trade ideas lol. Just saw someone post this on a raptors forum:

    "derozan sign and trade+ tross for lakers top pick this year + julius randle clarkson and some other mixture of young players"

    Beyond laughable
     
  4. LaVarBallsDad

    LaVarBallsDad - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    16,172
    Likes Received:
    31,056
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    Why would we even do that? The Lakers can sign DD outright this summer as an FA.
     
    ElginTheGreat likes this.
  5. Exonyte

    Exonyte - Rookie -

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2014
    Messages:
    293
    Likes Received:
    617
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Offline
    Yea. He wants pick+randle+clarkson AND other young players LOL
     
  6. therealdeal

    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2014
    Messages:
    28,475
    Likes Received:
    62,061
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    I'd laugh but I still believe deep down we have a shot at Durant so I'm not better. :D

    And yes I'm still signing Derozan in an instant if he is up for it. He's one of my first calls this summer.
     
    Weezy likes this.
  7. Weezy

    Weezy Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2014
    Messages:
    18,775
    Likes Received:
    76,205
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Anaheim
    Offline
    The whole DeRozan struggling in the playoffs thing may be valid. That said, my feeling is the same as real's, I sign him immediately if he wants to come here. He may not be great in the playoffs so far, but he's still a guy that has gotten his team to the playoffs multiple times now. We need to get back to respectability before we get to contending. You get back to respectability by getting in the playoffs. Is a superstar more likely to sign with a 17 win team, or a playoff team? You get to the playoffs with good players, then you go after the superstar, and we have done this wrong for years now. Mitch can talk about passing on paying players that are mediocre or however he phrased it, but passing on Isaiah Thomas was a mistake. He was a major factor in his team getting to the playoffs, whether they win or not, and they become instantly more attractive to free agents now as a really good team. So do I want a player like Derozan? Absolutely, we need to start to get back to respectability, we cannot be super picky, or we will be the 76ers for years to come.
     
    Barnstable and abeer3 like this.
  8. abeer3

    abeer3 - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    28,697
    Likes Received:
    77,274
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    ^yep. for the record, I was on the Thomas signing from day one (was super annoyed they chose to absorb lin instead of signing Thomas outright at a lower salary).

    lakers need to learn that swinging for the fences and hitting .200 is not preferable to doubles at .330.

    or something like that.
     
  9. therealdeal

    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2014
    Messages:
    28,475
    Likes Received:
    62,061
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    Mitch's argument is actually a decent one, but kind of speaks to the hit-and-miss nature of players sometimes. The argument was made by Pincus:

    It's easy to point out Isaiah Thomas as a miss (he was) but another player that got paid that summer was Lance Stephenson who a lot of us were interested in. One turned out to be a hit and one turned out to be a dud. By missing both you miss some opportunity sure, but Mitch values the space over the risk of making the Stephenson deal.

    I actually get that more than before. The problem is: he should have known Thomas was a legit player. He should have known he was going to be a really solid player and made that move. He wasn't sold on Thomas and that one is on him.
     
    abeer3 likes this.
  10. Savory Griddles

    Savory Griddles Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2014
    Messages:
    9,153
    Likes Received:
    22,370
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    Yeah. But if we signed Thomas, he would have single handedly gotten us a few more wins and we wouldn't have Russell. And we'd probably be looking at a better record this year. It's kind of why looking back like that makes it impossible to really figure out which signing would have done what. Its fun to speculate, but who knows if signing IT would have been a good thing for this franchise?
     
    therealdeal likes this.
  11. abeer3

    abeer3 - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    28,697
    Likes Received:
    77,274
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    I was interested in Stephenson, too. and he'd already be off the books after this year, right? that was pretty low risk, relatively low price at the time, as was Thomas. you hit on half of those, you should come out pretty well, imo.

    still, yes, the general theory is sensible. the problem is that taken to its logical extreme, you basically just pay maxes to superstars and recycle everything else. this was morey's original premise, before he finally realized that chemistry and continuity might mean something. and that's AFTER he sort of lucked in to two max players. the lakers currently have zero such players.

    so, you draft them or sign them into space. the latter occurs almost never; the former occurs maybe once every couple of years (a franchise-level talent is drafted) and depends heavily on luck.

    anyway, thanks chris paul trade veto--the lakers are now have-nots with no easy path back to contention. I think management is probably ultimately right to be patient, but fans don't have to enjoy that.

    long story short, early signs indicate that the lakers will be approaching this summer similarly to the last two: they're going to pitch Durant and maybe horford and derozan. but don't expect max offers for batum and parsons and that tier of player, which is probably what it will take to get them. and don't expect them to get ahead of the curve like Portland did with ed davis and aminu, as it's antithetical to the general approach.
     
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2016
    ElginTheGreat, therealdeal and Weezy like this.
  12. therealdeal

    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2014
    Messages:
    28,475
    Likes Received:
    62,061
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    Batum might get a max deal since he magically and coincidentally *wink* came up with his best season this year. Parsons I think will settle for less given his stretch of injuries. That guy is being held together by scotch tape at this point.
     
  13. lakerjones

    lakerjones Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2014
    Messages:
    10,828
    Likes Received:
    32,262
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    La La land
    Online
    If we can somehow pull off Derozan and Whiteside this summer, I will be very stoked. Not sure we can pry away DD from Toronto though. Have to see how they do in the Playoffs.
     
    Barnstable likes this.
  14. abeer3

    abeer3 - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    28,697
    Likes Received:
    77,274
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    I think you're underestimating just how much money is out there to be spent. there will be some staggeringly stupid deals handed out. people were talking about mike conley as a max guy. that's a 25+ million per deal there.
     
  15. abeer3

    abeer3 - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    28,697
    Likes Received:
    77,274
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    I still don't understand why most people believe whiteside's a lock to leave. Miami's a FA destination; it ain't Milwaukee. and pat Riley's a cheatin' son of a gun.
     
  16. ElginTheGreat

    ElginTheGreat - Lakers MVP -

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2014
    Messages:
    11,046
    Likes Received:
    30,689
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    Mainly because of tension between him and the team. Things have cooled down some, but I live in Florida and have a few solid sports sources down there. The issues were legit especially back in December/January. Not sure what will happen now but the view that Whiteside is a guy who goes after his own stats no matter what is still there.

    I was told that Riley was definitely going to go after Durant making Whiteside available for someone to swoop in and grab. That was a month or so ago, but I would still expect Riley to go after him.
     
    Barnstable and abeer3 like this.
  17. therealdeal

    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2014
    Messages:
    28,475
    Likes Received:
    62,061
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    I'm not underestimating that. I think Conley should probably get a max deal. Parsons though has had serious injuries for what three years now? One of them being a microfracture knee injury? I'd stay away. I certainly wouldn't offer him a max.

    Maybe Dallas does though. They gave Wes Matthews that huge contract after his torn Achilles. He got 70 million just months after a torn Achilles.
     
  18. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown - Lakers Starter -

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2014
    Messages:
    2,571
    Likes Received:
    11,517
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Doctorin'
    Location:
    Hill Valley
    Offline


    Come on down. (Just leave your playoff choking in Tor, k thanks)
     
  19. lakerjones

    lakerjones Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2014
    Messages:
    10,828
    Likes Received:
    32,262
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    La La land
    Online
    If we offer a max deal I think we get Whiteside. Just don't know if the Lakers FO will do so or not. We could use him though. He fits.
     
    Barnstable and ElginTheGreat like this.
  20. revgen

    revgen - Lakers 6th Man -

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2014
    Messages:
    1,833
    Likes Received:
    4,203
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    If Whiteside's "crime" in Miami is padding stats, then I'm not too concerned. There are HOF bigs *cough* Moses Malone *cough* who did the same thing.
     
    lakerjones likes this.

Share This Page