Presidential Election Aftermath: What Now / What Next?

Yeah eff that.

Higher taxes is bull****. How about you fight corruption instead of my hardearned money? You want my vote? Don't raise my taxes.

 

SHOULD WE CALL IT LUCK? CLINTON WON ALL 6 COIN TOSSES
SOFREP | 02.02.2016 3 Comments

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) voters will not be amused to learn that the Democratic National Committee awarded six deadlocked precincts, out of 99 precincts total, to Hillary Clinton with a literal coin toss.

She won all six of the coin tosses. The odds against winning six out of six coin flips are 64-to-1 against, or 1.56 percent.

The Des Moines Register explains that one of the coin tosses came from precinct 2-4 in Ames, where “60 caucus participants apparently disappeared from the proceedings.”

The Register quotes caucus participant and Iowa State University professor David Schewingruber, a Sanders supporter, on how it went down:

A total of 484 eligible caucus attendees were initially recorded at the site. But when each candidate’s preference group was counted, Clinton had 240 supporters, Sanders had 179 and Martin O’Malley had five (causing him to be declared non-viable).



Read more: http://sofrep.com/46902/how-lucky-can-one-gal-be-clinton-won-all-6-coin-tosses/#ixzz3z8Qy9jvk

 

You want me to be completely honest?

First, let's just drop the pretenses that BOTH parties won't raise taxes. They both will. One will go up a little bit and the other will go up a lot. But really it comes down to:

a) the Democrats want higher taxes because it pays for more s*** for a growing portion of the population of people stuck on government assistance. Part of their political structure is ensuring government handouts and the more people on those handouts, the more guaranteed votes they have. It's part of the game. Pretending otherwise is just wishful thinking.

b) I know the Republicans seem crass for cutting funding to this or that or the other thing, but I honestly don't care. I don't care. What I care about is myself and the well being of my family. I work hard for every penny I earn and to be told that I'm going to continue to pay more and more of it so that some other person can enjoy the fruits of my labor is something I simply cannot stand. It infuriates me. Even talking to you right now about it and hearing you say "Yeah but raised taxes isn't that bad" makes me so crazy I want to throw something into my own computer.

I don't care about the rest of the world over my family. My family comes first and when I'm paying already through the nose, I don't want to be paying more. The threshold for the "1%" is really not all that high. There's a lot of people who are in the 1% that aren't wealthy, they're just middle class families doing a good job of making a living. Yet here they are with people on welfare or on disability or on unemployment telling them that THEY have to pay for it? That's bull****. Sorry. I don't care if that makes me a jerk or it makes me inhumane. I'm charitable. I help when I can. I've been on both sides of this fence, but modern society is all about handouts and I can't stand it.

Instead of coming after me and taking my money, go get the money that's being soaked up into the soil of politics. Go get the tens of millions of dollars that go into "campaigns" for presidency. What if those people put that money to real use? Why do you need so much for a campaign anyway in this day and age? It's all crap.

It's all filthy rich people in positions of immense power telling me that the onus is on ME to get the country out of this situation, when it's THEM and THEIR spending that got us here. Yet every year we re-elect these oligarchs and this old money and we let them continue to dictate to us exactly how much WE should sacrifice. It wasn't too long ago people were pushing to hold Congress' paychecks until s*** was resolved, remember that? THAT is the kind of action we need to change what's happening.

So no. I will not be voting for Bernie Sanders or Hilary Clinton. If I had to vote today it'd likely be Cruz or Rubio. I'll take marginal hits over a guy who is building his campaign off of providing free everything for everyone.

 

Our political views tend to be more in line than our Laker views I guess.

Bernie is a socialist. Like an actual socialist. Not the "Obama is a socialist!" fear mongering rhetoric from Fox News. He's just too far for America and if a general election came around, he would be destroyed. Bernie is like Trump in that regard. They're kind of fun to have around, but neither party will let them get into the general election. It guarantees victory for the other party...granted if they both end up in the general election, I don't know who wins. It will be Cruz or Rubio vs Clinton. If the email scandal turns out to be minor, Clinton will win. If it blows up, the Republican will win. Obviously none of that takes into account a black swan.

 

I don't agree at all that Bernie can't win. The DNC is doing everything they can to sink him as it is, and he's pulled even with Hillary. Young people are his base (I feel old saying that), and they don't care about him being socialist. In fact, I heard someone say Bernie needs to thank Fox news because them calling Obama socialist all the time has taken the stigma from the word, and a lot of people don't really care about that label anymore. I think that's pretty acurate actually. If he can take most of the people who voted for Obama he will win, and he'll be doing it with no Super packs.

I also totally disagree with taxes being any type of focus for this election. Every candidate will raise taxes. I hate paying taxes, but government subsidies for the poor are a lot more palitable for me than government subsidies for corperations. We live in an Oligarchy specifically because corperations buy votes and therefore buy legislature and government as a whole. I'm not sure Bernie will change anything. He's been in politics for a long time, and I trust no politician, but I am 100% certain we continue on this path of the government being run by big money and laws being passed against the people's wishes if we elect any of the others. That is the biggest problem with nearly everything the government does in this country.

Every time we subsidize corn crops, every time we bail out a failing bank, every time we allow billions of tax dollars to be hidden over seas, that affects all of our pockets more than taxes do, etc, etc... and those are only a reality because the government is being bough off.

 

I don't disagree with that, but what does Bernie say that makes you think that'll change? Maybe the only one who sounds like he could shake up status quo is Cruz. The guy doesn't seem to care about pissing off Washington and I like that. A lot. It'll take someone like that to change anything about the money pushing policies.

Certainly one person will continue to let money push policy: Clinton. It's one of her calling cards.

 

Apparently Trump said something about Cruz winning Iowa and Cruz said he was having a Trumpertantrum. While immature, I LOLd.

Just had to share.

 

Bernie has not been exposed yet. When a general election comes around he will have to answer for all the things he wants to do, just like Trump will. And young people being his base is a dangerous game. Young people are notorious for saying they love someone and then playing Xbox during election night and not bothering to vote.

 

Didn't Hillary win Iowa? And Iowa elections are much different than other state primaries.

The bar is pretty low when it's between Hillary (no accomplishments and under investigation) and Bernie (Socialist and never introduced a bill that passed in 35 years). Only this crop of Rs could screw this up.

 

Pretty much exactly the way I see it. Cruz and Rubio being relatively young is the only thing that makes me think they could have a chance despite the deck stacked in their favor.

Another smaller point: didn't people mock the hell out of McCain for how old he was? Sanders is a few years older than McCain was when he ran for president.

 

They did, but it was more about Palin, saying she was 1 breath away from the presidency. To be fair, presidents age at a crazy rate while in office. Obama looks like he aged 25 years since his first year in office. I'd hate to see Bernie after 4 years. He'd be rolling around like Stephen Hawking.

 

Just reminds me of this, which I thought was hilarious

 

I'm a grown man and I have nightmares about the crypt keeper... this belongs in the "NOOOOOO" thread.

 

It's not what he says, but that he actually walks the walk. His campaign isn't funded by any big business contributions, and since 89 the majority of his contributions to his senatorial races have been unions, but they haven't been his backers for the presidency, so I feel a lot better about that than Hillary and most of the other candidates being beholden to Wall Street and big business:

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Bernie Sanders Outraises Hillary Clinton for the First Time Ever
Zach Cartwright | February 4, 2016FacebookTwitter

Just hours before tonight’s Democratic debate in New Hampshire, Vermont U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders’ campaign announced a new fundraising milestone.

According to numbers released by both Clinton’s and Sanders’ campaigns, the former Secretary of State was trounced by Sanders’ grassroots fundraising efforts for the first time since the two candidates declared their intent to run for the presidency nearly a year ago. Hillary Clinton, known as a fundraising juggernaut who has raised over $3 billion for her family’s foundation, only brought in $15 million compared to Sanders’ $20 million for the first month of 2016, according to Yahoo News. The average Sanders donation is $27, but the campaign has received over 3.5 million contributions throughout the course of the campaign.

This latest fundraising announcement shows the momentum behind the Sanders campaign isn’t slowing down anytime soon. The Sanders campaign recently raised $3 million in a single day after the Iowa caucus, marking the best fundraising day ever for the campaign. Sanders’ fundraising base is formidable, as it is largely made up of people donating less than $50 at a time, meaning those supporters are capable of giving multiple times before reaching the $2700 maximum any individual can donate to a campaign. Out of an estimated 1.3 million donors, only 649 Sanders supporters gave the maximum $2700 donation.

Clinton, however, gets a majority of her money from wealthier supporters giving the maximum amount. According to CNBC, more CEOs give to Clinton than to any GOP candidate. As of late 2015, more than 760 people listing “CEO” as their job title gave to Clinton, which is more than Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, and Marco Rubio combined.



The Sanders campaign noted this fundamental difference in fundraising strategy in a recent press release:

With far fewer total donors, Clinton has tapped out more than 23,000 of her donors who have given to her campaign committee all that the law allows for the primary election and may donate no more. Her maxed-out donors provided nearly 60 percent of the primary money raised for her campaign committee.

Sanders and Clinton meet tonight for a debate at the University of New Hampshire. The Granite State’s first-in-the-nation primary is February 9. Sanders is currently ahead in New Hampshire polls by nearly 20 percent."

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-just-outraised-hillary-clinton-for-the-first-time-ever/

 

They talk about his plans nonstop already and there are economists that say his plans will save the US money, and those that say they will bring about the Apocalypse so I don't know how much more can be exposed. You have to believe that there's no way his plans can work to term his ideas exposed rather than simply understood.

Worked for the last two presidential elections

She was supposed to crush Bernie and she didn't:

Clinton 49.9% Vs. Bernie 49.6%

She won by 6 coin tosses lol. That's not really a win considering what she was supposed to do to him in Iowa (and considering the controversy regarding the coin flips and representatives).

Bernie's up by 20% against Clinton in New Hampshire.

 

I get your point, but the funding of his campaign doesn't change things for me. His campaign still runs on "I will raise taxes" and that's what I can't vote for. I don't know if he'll cowtow to big money once in office or not (history says he will), but I do know that I don't want a guy in office who is proudly trumpeting that he'll raise my taxes. Go away, Crypt Keeper! I earned my money!

 

Why do you think any of the other candidates will be any different? When has a presidential candidate said he wouldn't raise taxes and actually kept to that promise?

To me, it should be expected from every candidate, and I think Bernie's just being honest, which is refreshing.